Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Bangface. I mean. Come on. WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO HANG OUT WITH THOSE GUYS?

Peak "I thought he was your mate" vibes.

Hyde Park looking busy.

Hit 50,000 today.

I can’t fathom the insanity of an island managed to get a gigantic death tolls.

I won’t be surprise if it hit 100,000 by the end of the year.

The worst thing is it is mostly the weakest, oldest and most vulnerable who it has taken.

Few live streams of the protests on periscope

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqJVldzbQwKB?q=LONDON

Or the Suns live feed of it on youtube too, can skip back through to see it earlier in the day as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzQT2sa8rU

Erm.
It's not a very simple answer.

The worst thing is it is mostly the weakest, oldest and most vulnerable who it has taken.

Why is this worse?

Not worse, just another shit thing I guess. With a different approach we could have protected a lot of those people better.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52906609

Northern Ireland will concentrate on a physical contact tracing scheme for Covid-19, rather than an app, according to the chief scientific adviser.

Prof Ian Young said the usefulness of an app has been overstated, because of the 50% of people who used it, only 25% of contacts would be traced.

Tracing here is already setup, the local government does it as well, it is not outsourced.

One strange thing: Case numbers higher in well-off areas

Meanwhile, the health minister also confirmed that there are more positive cases of coronavirus in more affluent areas of Northern Ireland than in deprived areas.

I can only imagine these areas get more testing done...

Flats are rare in NI, even in deprived areas most people living in small terraced houses, which may have helped us a little reducing the spread of the virus.

WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO HANG OUT WITH THOSE GUYS?

Glade Bangface was legendary.

That might have been where this corona virus transferred to humans actually.

Does flats v. houses make much difference? I thought large multi-generational households were a risk and perhaps there are fewer of those in NI compared to other parts of the UK?

Yep, many avoidable deaths.

the tories said they'd sort out the social care issue, didn't think the solution would be to try and kill them all

I don't see what being an island has to do with it, flow of people around the world these days is not constrained by water if you have the right passport.

I'm sure unpicking this will take months, if not years, but one thing that strikes me (And the BBC if you look hard enough), is that population density will have a factor to play.

It now seems that talking heads on politics shows can claim with impunity from anchors that our response has been the worst in the world, and the base of the people saying this is lapping it up in the same sycophantic uncritical way that Fox follow Trump.

Just to throw some numbers out there, comparing England with Spain (Yes, this is cherry picked, I've chosen England because it is fully managed by this government, and is the area of the nation with the highest population density, Spain is much lower). I'm doing this to show there are ways of looking at this which go against the current accepted narrative.

England
Population = 56M
Population Density = 432/km2
Deaths = 27K

Spain
Population = 47M
Population Density = 92/km2
Deaths = 27K

This isn't scientific, it obviously hasn't looked at expected deaths for a start, I repeat, I DON'T know how we really compare against a whole range of other countries, what I despair about is the number of people flooding social media who are 100% sure how we did, based on the same information.

I misunderstood maybe, I thought population density was the biggest link. Most areas are quite spread out here with parks/little gardens nearly everywhere.

Not sure there are many large multi-generational households, not in the areas I have lived in for sure. I am not sure if NI compiles statistics on that.

Netherlands
Population = 17M
Population Density = 421/km2
Deaths = 6K

But would if England was like the Netherlands the death rate would be 18K, not 27K

You can pick what you like in that sense. Even comparing within the UK is going to be hard enough.

Search deep inside, yes you did, that’s why you put your cross in the blue box.

Problem with the "but with our population density we didn't have a chance!" response is that 1) outside of London, our population density isn't that high, it's just a standard trope of the Kippers that it is and 2) if it IS high then that's a reason to go into lockdown earlier, harder - unless our population density suddenly shot up just as C19 started spreading then it wasn't (couldn't have been) a surprise, so should have figured in the planning and response.

Agreed that a single figure representing population density is misleading. Russia may well have a very small population density but if 90% (completely plucked figure) of that population is in cities with very high population density, surely it's more comparable with high population density countries.

Yes, so you agree

This entirely.

@Sifta
Italy and Spain had relatively little time.

The UK effectively had some advanced warning. This could have been used better.

Italians told us “No, it may seem so, but you’re wrong”, but either through isolation or arrogance it wasn’t heard. A fortnight later we’d be saying the same to Americans.

That comparing is very hard, sure I agree.

I am critical of the UK government as they sat on their hands while things while the virus was raging in Spain/Italy & did nothing about it spreading in care homes.

But to calculate in an exact figure which measures have helped exactly is impossible atm. Not sure it even IS possible. Maybe in a few years there will be a "lessons learned".

Plausible,

What I don't get is why all the people with perfect 20/20 hindsight, and totall grasp and perfect interpretation of all the facts don't understand the words I don't know.

An investigation has been opened:
https://universalcreditsuffer.com/2020/06/02/durham-council-open-investigation-into-cummings-lockdown-cottage/

The Sun should never be used as a source, for anything... Other than lighting fires if its printed on paper... But then youll probably die due to the poisons.