Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

You'll never guess who's behind these "Freedom Movement against lockdown" bullshit "protests"

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/12579584/officers

That shitehawk now lives in Northern Ireland, funny she is using her old address.

Britain First promoting freedom of movement. Oh the irony

Cant speak for any other country but i know swedens antibody tests was 100% accurate on samples they did for proofing. When it came out they talked about how pleased they were that this test was so accurate and that this test somehow worked better since it picked up more variants of the virus than the testing they had previously.

But like you say, what government would test 90k ppl with a test they are not sure really works that well, especially without pointing this out when releasing the data.

Also promoting harsher punishment for infringers of lockdown
https://www.britainfirst.org/harsh-punishments-flouting-lockdown-rules

Well, this is surprising. Mr Trump has just sent mrs-ru a stimulus check (sic). Now just have to work out how to cash it.

we got one in the post yesterday.

be sure to send a thank you card before you spend it on sweets and lolly water!

On antibodies - the UK was 4% a few days ago (with London at 10%) on tests which were taken two weeks prior, which would show people who were positive three weeks prior to that. So a five week lag.

If someone wants to use some fancy modeling to try to estimate what that would be today, go for it. But I'd guess London is within the NYC and Stockholm estimates.

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You're misreading it, I suspect. 17-20 days after infection is the time it takes for the body to develop antibodies. Doing it before then could result in a false negative.

They're testing for IgM antibodies? See Chalfie's graph here: https://www.lfgss.com/comments/15278346/

Or, as noted above, it's meant to be used after 17-20 days, so they're testing for IgG antibodies.

(Again, see graph above)

I suspect Chalfie has Vitamin D and all who refer to it on ignore

I see Smear Keir is getting under way.

why?!

How else are we to wind him up!?

@chalfie

Buddy, you there?

To save people the step: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Double checked the wording your correct, needs 21 days for the virus to clear your system before the antibodies are detectable.

What kind of test is this?
This test looks for the presence of immunoglobulin G (IgG) antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the COVID-19 illness. Antibodies are produced by the body's immune system during COVID-19 and start to become detectable around 7 days after symptoms start and increase over time. Antibodies can be reliably detected in the majority of people from 14 days after the onset of symptoms. We advise taking the test 21 days after the onset of symptoms. This is because our laboratory has reported a slight increase in the chances of finding detectable antibodies in samples taken between 17 and 21 days after the onset of symptoms. This test helps to establish whether someone has had COVID-19 and is now producing antibodies to the virus.

did anyone hear the govt. spokesman claim they'd built a hospital in tonights briefing, does that come out of boris's promised 20 or is it an extra one ?

i presume they were talking about the temporary field hospital at excel

I thought that hospital was being disbanded?

Dunno about the UK but here the field hospitals are empty but staying up for the foreseeable future. For the one in Excel, it's not like they're having any conferences soon is it?

Speaking of that though, Ride London are optimistic saying they still think they'll run it, aren't they

I can't believe whatever mild symptoms I and my flatmate had were the same strain that hospitalised a fit guy in his 30's from my workshop building and killed my uncle.

Either there are different strains or there is a genetic element to who is most vulnerable (disregarding age and pre-existing conditions).

There are thought to be two strains (L-type and S-type), but the differences are tiny and they're generally regarded as so similar that it's highly debatable whether they are really two strains at all (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/).

The consensus at the moment seems to be that genetic differences are why people suffer such different reactions to the virus:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-genetics/uk-researchers-try-to-crack-genetic-riddle-of-covid-19-idUKKBN22O3DG

There is mounting evidence of a connection between vitamin D levels and coronavirus. HOWEVER the picture is very unclear and it seems fair to assume that a lot of recent headlines are exaggerated. My colleague is a clinical Professor of Respiratory Infection and Immunity and spoke to More or Less about this on Radio 4 earlier this week. It's worth a listen if you're interested in the interaction between vitamin D and coronavirus:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j2r7

He is also running a study which aims to recruit 12,000 volunteers to identify the risk factors for coronavirus, so please sign up!
News story about it: https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/news/2020/smd/new-study-to-identify-highest-risk-factors-for-covid-19.html
Direct sign up link: https://www.qmul.ac.uk/covidence/

The other interesting thing discussed in the programme is how low relatively the R number is in London compared to the rest of the country, which is something I haven't heard discussed elsewhere, and what that might mean.

The vitamin d connection should then maybe theoriticly have a higher mortality rate in countries further away from the equator but perhaps that is countered by the fact that we in the north are well aware of vitamin d deficiences on a larger scale than southern europe for instance and most ppl i know actually take vitamin d supplements including myself.

I tested 5 out of 20-50 (normal values) some 10 years ago and have been taking regularly since. I guess celiac does not help with vitamin absorption..

what did they conclude about the low R number in London? Telegraph has a front page headline today saying there are fewer than 50 new daily cases in London.

But if one takes vitamin D,surely you're the person to suppliment vitamins in general? Surely ppl are generally up to their max on all minerals, all vitamins, all macros. And surely that will give you an advantage?

Lab confirmed hospital cases.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/about#total-and-daily-uk-cases

COVID-19 cases are identified by taking specimens from people and sending these specimens to laboratories around the UK to be tested. If the test is positive, this is a referred to as a lab-confirmed case.