Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

Yep, and? ;-)

Sorry I didn't mean to be unpleasant but i find the lifestyle notion of elderly landrovers XXXX..

They are truly awful to drive and in practical terms only bought latterly as an alternative to japanese pickups for their towing capacity.

The new one looks like an improvement but it's a case of when will it breakdown rather than if.

I was thinking about this (nothing better to do in the queue at Tesco). I don’t disagree they are poor to drive by modern criteria e.g. comfort, noise, controls weight and so on. And doubtless a hilux is more ‘capable’ (although it’s done everything asked of it so far). But isn’t that the case with the majority of classic cars? To drive it is an experience and rewarding in its own way. Like J said, it’s own kind of fun. And although I do use it semi-properly occasionally, it’s totally discretionary - or to put it another way, a lifestyle choice.
#parklife