• Firstly, unless you have proof otherwise? Did you read the Guardian article? It details just how seriously the Vietnam authorities took it all from day one.

    Secondly, I’m not.

  • Firstly, unless you have proof otherwise?

    I don't, I simply don't believe them.

    Secondly, I’m not.

    ... you were. No one is getting shot in Germany either, and yet they are looking a lot better than the UK in all of this.

  • I admit it seems unlikely, but Vietnam isn’t China where they routinely lie about things like this. I’m more inclined to believe them.

    Also, I really wasn’t. I was pointing out two extremes. Germany is being pretty tight on controls which is why they have a relatively low death rate. We have had low controls and next to no enforcement of them, which is why we’re in the shit.

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