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• #12377
So it’s reopen construction and manufacturing this morning (complex) but wait till Wednesday for unlimited exercise (easy)?
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• #12378
I havent listened to the PMs speech yet because I couldn't take the stress, embarassment, and rage that he is in charge. Below is a twitter thread with a more measured take than what I have heard from commentators and the BBC. The message is clearly a mismanaged disaster, but indefinite lockdown is also impossible.
https://twitter.com/LonelyJoeParker/status/1259670329821204482
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• #12379
peon
Thanks, I learnt something this morning.
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• #12380
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• #12381
Yes, I agree it's confusing. Hopefully the 50 page guidance released today will provide some clarification. Having one person meet one other person is less risk than families/groups meeting up.
Also, trying to work out how to send my 2 year old to the park alone to meet his 2 year old buddy.
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• #12382
Putting aside this morning’s shit show, why does the BBC insist on continuing with the sports slot on their TV and radio output? There is no sport, there is no clear view on when sport can resume and there is nothing of note to report on. Yet on they plough, churning out the same dull content day after day after day.
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• #12383
Did we even need a slogan or branding in the first place?
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• #12384
Mitchell and Webb's 'the football' sketch.
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• #12385
Is it a good idea for national leader to go on telly and announce changes that are clearly going to lead to an increase in the number of daily deaths?
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• #12386
I am pretty ire that last night Boris said that those who could not work from home should return to work tomorrow (ie Monday). From the BBC website I have taken this paragraph...
In his address on Sunday, the PM said people who could not work from home - including those in the manufacturing and construction industries - should return to the workplace from Wednesday but avoid public transport.Did I mis-hear?
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• #12387
Isn't is widely understood that 'multiple peaks' is an oxymoron?
No? Surely a peak can refer to a local maximum point.
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• #12388
The only reference to Wednesday is for exercise:
And from this Wednesday, we want to encourage people to take more and even unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise.
The bit about work is before that so Wednesday doesn't seem very relevant.
Full text at https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-10-may-2020
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• #12389
Plus if we're continuing down the wave analogy, there's a peak per wave:
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• #12390
If anyone here is being asked to go into work again and aren't happy about it I'd recommend joining a Union immediately and sending a polite enquiry to HR about the measures they are taking to keep workers safe. More info about employer's legal obligations here:
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• #12391
What I took from the update speech is that the onus is now firmly on us, the people. Once both the infection and death rates start to rise Johnson can reluctantly re-impose stricter rules while saying it’s our fault because we weren’t alert enough, whatever the fuck that means.
The government’s handling of it all has been an unmitigated shitshow. No coherent policy allied with no real enforcement of what little policy there is has been typical of Johnson’ a attitude. He’s reacted to the tabloid media, not scientific advice. The state of the Mail, Sun et al last week was a disgrace, the Sun going as far to say that pubs could open beer gardens, ffs. How can you ease a lockdown if you haven’t actually had one? My son lives in Vietnam but is currently in Langkawi where he went for a 5 day break as it all kicked off and he’s been stuck there ever since. Shops closed, no travel in or out, no leaving your apartment, or his his case a tiny airb&b; when he did he was threatened with arrest and a fine. They’ve had 5 confirmed cases of Covid on the island, and no deaths. Vietnam, where’s he’s trying to get back to, has full lockdown. Army and police on the streets, a massive fine, jail and deportation if you’re a foreigner awaits you if you’re caught outside. Vietnam has had no deaths from Covid. None.
Except for a trip to the shops every few days, my mate hasn’t left his flat in Madrid for three months, nor has my mate in Dubai. My mate in Paris took a pic from his apartment window on Wednesday morning. The streets were deserted, with police, TSG and Army enforcing the law. That’s a fucking lockdown. I rode back from work on Saturday afternoon and it was like a normal weekend afternoon, people and traffic everywhere. We don’t have the police to enforce the half-arsed restrictions anyway. People, certainly in areas of London, are just taking the piss. This is why we’ve had approaching 34,000 deaths while Germany, with a population some 15% larger than the UK, has had 7,200 deaths, nearly 5 times less. I’m a mechanic, and even I can see a link here, tho I’ve no idea how I’m supposed to “control” a fucking virus. But hey, it’s down to people like me to do it.
So let’s all party in the park and do the conga and whatever, and try not to be too sad when granny dies when the inevitable second wave hits, because that’s the price of freedom, eh?
I give up, I really do.
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• #12392
Vietnam has had no deaths from Covid. None.
Vietnam is an interesting one. When I was there, the safety and wellness of its population never really struck me as one of the governments top priorities, so their 'crush this shit' approach is curious. Cynically, i) it's a great opportunity for the party to re-assert their power, and ii) their numbers are probably propaganda. And iii) how they 'get out' of where they are now is a good question - they will seriously need to up their capability to test / quarantine when / if international travel opens back up.
But we will see.
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• #12393
Peak District?
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• #12394
I find it incredible that there have been no deaths in Vietnam. I do not believe it.
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• #12395
Yup, it is. I’m doubting the figures, but apparently the WHO have confirmed it, so there must be something in it. It helps that in general Vietnam is a place where people automatically obey the government without question. Said government is generally fairly benign in regards to daily life so when they do speak the people listen. He lives in Ho Chi Min City, some ex-pat pals had a St Paddy’s day party and one tool put it on social media. Police came and arrested those they could, put out a warning that if anyone else who was there didn’t come forward they would find them and jail them for a year. They were all traced, jailed for a week, fined and threatened with deportation. That’s how you do it. Over here we had a Police community support office assaulted after trying to get people to distance properly in a park. In Vietnam they’d have been shot.
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• #12396
Yeah sorry I actually prefer the UK approach over this. And I also don't believe those numbers for a second.
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• #12398
You’d prefer 33,000 deaths to none?
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• #12399
I find it incredible that there have been no deaths in Vietnam. I do not believe it.
You could argue that relatively poor countries without significant amounts of international travel are likely to be less impacted but then you look at the stats and see that it doesn't seem to work like that. Is there a source with more localised data (i.e. where in countries people die)?
That said, I also don't believe there have been zero deaths.
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• #12400
This is just another messaging exercise with the government trying to (as ever) have their cake and eat it.
First - shift the onus and responsibility to the public. 'We've done our bit, you haven't stayed alert enough or controlled the virus well enough.' There will be plenty happy to blame 'covidiots' for the next peak, rather than this government.Second - make it seem like lockdown has changed when it hasn't. There were never any firm regulations about how much you could exercise. If you couldn't WFH you were still supposed to go to work. THey've just put different lipstick on it.
Hah! :))