Can you help to identify these frames, bikes or parts?

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Rik_Van_Looy in reply to @pavemann

looks like you have a panto on the fork crown... do you think it's an original fork? if so, put up a photo and that may help id it.
Other useful bits of info include BB thread - BSA, Italian, French and the seatpost size which will give some idea of what tubing you've got - Seatpost is usually marked with size so it's fairly easy to check

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pavemann in reply to @Rik_Van_Looy
Hi Rik,

thanks for your fast response.
Here are some further details:
Seatpost 27.2
BB is ITA/ISO
Headset should be too

Here’s a picture if the fork crown. Honestly I have no idea if the fork belongs to the frame. Never seen that pantho before.

Many thanks and kind regards

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Rik_Van_Looy in reply to @pavemann

Italian BB makes sense, There's an overall Italian vibe to the frame, but there were so many small local framebuilders in italy bitd that it may prove tricky to id
The fork panto is as good a place as any to start - I wondered whether it might be Rivoli but theirs is different. If you can ID that fork panto you can see if the serial# matches up.

EDIT: Just checked Rauler too, I don't think they ever had a panto like that either

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