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This is something I find very interesting. I can well imagine that the date of when it was 'here' may end up getting pushed back even further.

Surely the message, and its merits or lack of them, is more important than the messenger?

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Everything to do with mobile phones stinks, anyway, but this is what has long been suspected, which is that the data surveillance people are using it as an opportunity to further their agendas. Plenty of reporting that they're heavily involved.

Also reports of the 'death by a thousand cuts' privatisation agenda being advanced in the NHS.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/04/uk-government-using-crisis-to-transfer-nhs-duties-to-private-sector

When Corbyn tried to accuse the Tories of selling off the NHS just before the election, in a move that seemed poorly researched and was unconvincing, he didn't say clearly enough that the way this is being done is by stealth--by lots of different little measures, couched in obscurifying management speak, and now of course under cover of the pandemic.

I'm a triumph of hope over experience.

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If their mates get contracts it is fine, sure? /sarcasm

There are some really good informed lords on IT issues, but a lot of politicians are just plain useless/don't care. And not just the Tories, Labour wasn't great on the snooping law either. This is mega blatant though.

And we really need to be able to trust them right now, bad timing for yet another fuckup.

If its true, it fucking cheeky to do it in the midst of a pandemic that shows privatization is wrong.

Am I right in guessing none of us are going to download the app then even after hancock said it was our duty...lol

I'm looking forward to building and installing my own copy with the source they are releasing, much as I do with things like Apache.

This thread is once again an indication that a bit of innuendo is enough to convince people of anything.

If you trust the compiler...
If you trust the Operating System...
If you trust the processor...

What do you mean?

Perfect timing no? The civil service/parliament are busy with pandemic work, super timing to sneak through nasties like this.

Have I missed something? Why the fuck are McDonaldses and cafes and so on reopening? Since when does this fit with the guidelines?

Its 'smart' sure... But can they not see that the US, who we will sell to, have proved that it doesnt work??

IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK! (To the bastards trying to asset strip the NHS)

Vids of people idling their cars for 40+mins to get a KFC or a takeaway Costa is fucking depressing.

Think it's totally premature and risky myself as one person Manning the booth with Covid could pass it to how many people in a day?

May be being grumpy due to tedious data cleaning, but some of the posts here seem to be insinuating that the tracing app is essentially a Vote Leave data collection tool which was simultaneously written by incompetent people and will kill your battery and fail to actually work, while also provide the government, and specifically Cummings, with every piece of data about you they could ever want. All of which is surprisingly insightful since it's not been released and is still in testing.

some of the posts here seem to be insinuating that the tracing app is essentially a Vote Leave data collection tool which was simultaneously written by incompetent people and will kill your battery and fail to actually work, while also provide the government, and specifically Cummings, with every piece of data about you they could ever want.

It's just divide-and-rule in action again and YOU COMPLETELY FAIL TO SEE IT! :)

While you are right that it is too early to say anything really, tbh I don't think this is such a bad default assumption either.

This is the consequence of governments not being seen as particularly keen on protecting your data, or keeping their own fingers off it: the trust in them getting it right is very very low.

The cafe near me has remained open for takeaways since this all started. When I've been out and about on the bike, plenty of takeaways also open, both restaurants still running their takeaway option and kebab / pizza shops. The guys that live two doors down from me seem to be getting Deliveroo for breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Maccies/KFC have , until now, been on the safe side of things and not legally obliged to be shut.

Another example of our "not a lockdown lockdown".

I can well imagine that the date of when it was 'here' may end up getting pushed back even further.

Agreed - but if so why no rise in Pneumonia deaths ahead of the covid curve we see now?

Here's something about 'plans for London':

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-back-to-work-coronavirus-plan-a4431171.html

I'm expecting what is released to be unbuildable anyway.

I doubt that there would have been so many cases of death that statistics would have been distorted alarmingly. Also, they didn't know what they might be looking for then, and in most cases I presume they would have recorded known conditions?

IANAD, so better ask one instead of me. :)

It works very well for some, like those that run the companies...but it is definitely something that works for the few and not the many :)