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Sorry, it wasn't really a reply to you (well there was a reply to one bit but I failed to quote it).
It was more of a rant about the justifications people have for doing certain things they do vs the social responsibility that is in desperate lack of display by certain people and the odd bullshit justifications people find to continue certain behaviours.
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I didn't make my initial comment thinking it would create such a long reply (I only read the tldr version and I think maybe you've taken it the wrong way or I have worded it badly in the first place)
Actually I don't know if your initial reply was aimed at me so my reply might not have made sense to your post since you mentioned someone called Jeff?
I've seen too many people having a go at each other in here and I don't know if it's due to the situation their in or whatever but that's not what I'm about so im just going to leave this alone.