• I don't use video conferencing software myself, but I thought some discussion of it might be in order. Everyone suddenly seems to be using Zoom, which appears to be highly intrusive and exploitative software, like so much else at the moment. I imagine the other widely-publicised options are not much better. Obviously, people may not care much about the nature of Zoom, but I suspect a fair few don't realise quite what it does and wouldn't use it if they did. There's lots of easily-findable info on-line, but here's Bruce Schneier:

    https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html

    Privacy first: Zoom spies on its users for personal profit. It seems to have cleaned this up somewhat since everyone started paying attention, but it still does it.

    The company collects a laundry list of data about you, including user name, physical address, email address, phone number, job information, Facebook profile information, computer or phone specs, IP address, and any other information you create or upload. And it uses all of this surveillance data for profit, against your interests.

    I wouldn't use it for this reason alone.

    This is a fairly up-to-date chronological list:

    https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/zoom-security-privacy-woes

    Here's a list of video conferencing software:

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/08/zoom-privacy-video-chat-alternatives

    I think my pick, recommended by a friend, would be Jitsi, if I did any video conferencing.

  • Everyone suddenly seems to be using Zoom, which appears to be highly intrusive and exploitative software

    Yes though easy especially for older family members who can't even what's app ffs

  • Sure, but are the other conferencing programmes as listed above really harder to use than Jitsi, for instance? Obviously, I haven't used any of them, and there will always be edge cases of people whose needs are primarily geared towards simplicity, but especially in the case of (presumably) vulnerable family members I'd see if they couldn't be put on a less intrusive solution. (Not trying to suggest you haven't tried.)

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