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  • There is a point though and it is quite basic, that some bike companies have been selling poorly manufactured frames and parts, then increasing the acceptable tolerance to avoid liability for these. That is a systematic fraud on consumers.

    A carbon frame made for $300 and sold for $1000-3000 and more shouldn't be so poorly made and if it is it should be accepted as defective and replaced, not covered up and avoided.

  • With who and what are you arguing? No one is really denying that the production faults that he has found are undesirable. Also, pinning the problems on "the engineers" when bike production requires a very long chain of people making various decisions which affect the final outcome, doesn't really make sense.

    Edit: cake analogy.
    If I design a recipe, then someone fiddles with the ingredient quantities for cost, then sends it to another baker to make, then sends it to a taste tester to verify, who then sends it to a shop, who then sell it to a consumer who doesn't like the cake - is it fair for the consumer to decide that I'm shit because the cake isn't right? They might be right that the cake is shit, the problem may lie with my recipe, but there's a lot of other factors involved.

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