Ahem...Hambini?

figures like Sagan seem to get away with literal sexual assault

Sagan got bollocked for that by both the commentariat and his managers.

I've found a lot of quite brilliant people academically socially inept.
Its quite common especially in engineering, which is a massively Male dominated industry where old school attitudes such misogyny, casual racism let alone colourful language go unchallenged, as long as the work gets done.
Stick it on youtube suddenly your out of your comfort zone, and what good work you've done has gone down the pan.

"bollocking" is cheap. It's assault. He got away with it with no actual material consequences from what I can see. The same people (rightly) piling on hambini will completely switch in attitude compared to Sagan.

One of them is white and is involved in big money cycling with commercial ties...

We haven't even gone on to the likes of Shane Sutton telling Jess Varnish to "go and have a baby" either.

I don't think the swearing is an act. Lots of people are like that. I
worked in the construction sector for four years. The operatives et al
make him look like a girl guide.

Fair point - but when he swings into the Powerpoint sections (with the camera now trained on him constantly) it feels like the swearing jumps up a notch from passive and circumstantial to more purposeful.

I think what's difficult to accept for many of us (I am no different)
is that there are a lot of very intelligent and capable people who are
also nasty, unbearable and rude. I am reliably informed there is a
doctor at UCLH who is forbidden from teaching women students alone
because he is an unbearable person. But they legitimately can't get
rid of him because he is crucial to training people in life saving
work.

Fully agreed, have also seen this within that sector.

He got away with it with no actual material consequences from what I can see

And hambini will suffer no material consequences either, except that even more morons will subscribe to his grotesque youtube channel and he'll maybe make a little more money.

I don't know why you think the kind of commentators who would take the time to call out either behaviour would be more likely to do so when it's a poor brown man doing it rather than a rich white one.

The same people (rightly) piling on hambini will completely switch in attitude compared to Sagan.

All of them?

he'll maybe make a little more money

do you think Hambini makes more money out of bottom brackets than Sagan does out of his "cool guy" persona?

The giro organisers literally paid the guy a fortune just to turn up to it let alone win anything.

I'm not going to try to turn this thread into a "what about" because Hambini has clearly crossed a line here big style. But it doesn't sit right with me that the cycling media industrial complex will all look the other way and keep schtum on much worse up to and including workplace bullying and sexual assault, as well as publicly humiliating cycling fans with cruel sexist prank photos, and then clap themselves on the back saying well done aren't we upstanding citizens because they all told hambini to fuck off on twitter.

clap themselves on the back saying well done aren't we upstanding citizens because they all told hambini to fuck off on twitter.

All of them? Again?

the cycling media industrial complex will all look the other way and keep schtum on much worse up to and including workplace bullying and sexual assault

Presumably this is the workplace bullying and sexual assault that you're aware of because it's been publicised by the cycling media industrial complex, at the same time they were keeping schtum about it and looking the other way?

Yeah all of them. The whole media industrial system is a set up to promote products and sell things, any small problem like a sporting star sexually assaulting a "podium girl" is brushed aside as no big deal.

No I know about it because of social media posts by Amanda Batty who is hugely disillusioned with the cycling industry.

Your cheap gotchas are pretty pathetic tbh.

Yeah all of them. The whole media industrial system is a set up to promote products and sell things, any small problem like a sporting star sexually assaulting a "podium girl" is brushed aside as no big deal.

Well, that's not how I remember the Sagan incident. As I recall, it got a lot of coverage, all of it very negative.

Guys, why give oxygen to someone with a whataboutism argument?

Ok, I thought he was saying something about Michelle specifically. Some of the comments to her tweet made it seem like she was personally attacked.

Dominic Raab teaches at UCLH?

Fairly certain she was no?

Guys, why give oxygen to someone with a whataboutism argument?

That isn't what "whataboutism" is.

My entire point is that Hambini is bad and is in the wrong. I have unsubscribed and won't have anything to do with him again. However I am making the point that the cycle industry does far worse all the time with no consequences.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/san-juan-woman-files-police-complaint-against-keisse/

Keisse wasn't sanctioned in any serious way. He didn't lose his spot. He wasn't arrested. All the sponsors including Specialized looked the other way. He got away with it. Did the cycling media "cancel" him and his team and his sponsors? Of course not, they know which side their bread is buttered. Indeed CW published an "inside look" into DQS the other week https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/the-wolfpack-insider-deceuninck-quick-steps-behind-the-scenes-documentary-452079/amp

That’s what I was trying to figure out.

Edit: I somehow missed the first picture. Jeeze what a scumfucker.

I think she’s the one in the picture he’s annotated with his shite craic.

That isn't what "whataboutism" is.

However I am making the point that the cycle industry does far worse all the time with no consequences.

Whataboutism is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Yes and I haven't discredited anyone's argument. That is literally my entire point. I agree with the hambini criticisms. What I do is go further with them and apply the principle to this entire fucked up industry.

Sigh.

Yes, I think that's why everyone is confused - this thread is about Hambini and his unfortunate identification of sweary misogyny as the primary reason people watch his YouTube content rather than his engineering knowledge.

Bringing in your "I want to go further and be cross with lots of other people" thing is, if that's your thing, probably best put in a thread that is specific to that.

As it stands your posts are appear somewhat nonsensical, as you're trying to have an argument that no one else is, and therefore it appears you are trying to forgive Hambini by dint of comparing him to for e.g. Sagan and his bad behaviour on the podium, even though you assure us that you are not.

Well I am not. That is just a fact. What makes me very angry with the cycling industry more broadly is that much worse than Hambini is routinely ignored and even celebrated. We have an entire thread celebrating Peter Sagan on this forum, 'hero on the bike' https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/277547/ . As far as I am concerned he is trash. All the facts about his attitudes and behaviours are out there. What's the excuse for looking the other way once those facts are known?

It isn't about "bad behaviour on the podium" because this behaviour doesn't happen in isolation. That's just what he's been caught doing on camera.

I appreciate what you are getting at but this is dissonant attitude in this industry and 'culture' gets on my nerves and I can assure you I'm not the only one in the cycle industry frustrated that tolerance of sexism and literal assault is rife when it's from people with the right logos on their jerseys. Certainly Hambini is repugnant and I will have nothing to do with him, ever again. My concern is that the totally dominant misogyny in cycling, from the media to the pro scene to the product sector is always, always looked the other way on.

the sagan arse pinching was brought up on the first page of that thread, to be fair

Yeah for some reason when I launched the pictures the first time the first picture didn’t come up and I was confused.