Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Trump is suspending funding to WHO, says they are responsible for deaths being - I think - 20 times more what they might/should have been????

He's merely doing what he always does--accuse others of what he himself is guilty of.

He's merely doing what he always does--accuse others of what he himself is guilty of.

So true and so obvious. Yet it will work where he needs it to, with those who want to vote for him again.

WHO are an easy scapegoat. They’re a toothless beast and have been a bit slow and rubbish imo. Hopefully there are some lessons to learn after all this. How good would it be if there was a joined-up world wide effort to manage and distribute PPE for example.

The tweet I linked to says, very clearly

Reports that the UK Government has seized control of Scotland’s Coronavirus testing kits are “simply untrue”, says the Scottish Government

The tweet is from the Times of Scotland's Politics and Education correspondent.

You said

Ironic because Govt also seized testing kits already allocated to Scotland

The tweet directly contradicts this, so your attempt to argue black is white is quite impressive.

Let me put it this way: Do you have any evidence that testing kits already allocated to Scotland (your words) were seized by England?

p.s. I note you've not defended your claim that Trump pinched PPE from the Germans. And we're all still waiting for you to evidence your claim that 150 Tory MPs have symptoms of the virus.

#fakegrus

here's a sky news report giving context to the actual Scottish Government denial (not the misleading description of it in the tweet you linked to) that it had acquiesced to Whitehall taking the lead on deciding who gets testing kits, hope that's real enough for you, ignorant prick.

Oh and Sky were one of the outlets reporting the fake news in the first place:
https://twitter.com/johnban81940041/status/1245614593046532098

So nope, not real enough for me, but thanks for the usual personal attacks/sweariness.

I think both of you are discussing a semantic or maybe syntactic difference.

Reports that the UK Government has seized control of Scotland’s Coronavirus testing kits are “simply untrue”, says the Scottish Government

Is not contradicting

Gompels is a private company, used by all devolved nations until April 1st when it suddenly seems to have acted on instruction from Whitehall not to sell to anyone other than PHE.

Basically ube is saying all new supplies are being redirected to England and you're arguing that existing supplies haven't been removed from Scotland and sent to England. One of you is right, both of you are right or neither of you are right.

Impressively blinkered as always. The Times political correspondent, I'm sure he loves the SNP...

UK Government announced that it was taking control of devolved health matters, including testing, and that these would be allocated centrally by Whitehall. This is after Wales has their confirmed orders with suppliers gazumped by PHE-matching the Sky news report, matching the reports by Care Scotland that orders are not getting sent north of the border. This then forces supplies to come from NHS Scotland's stockpile.

Again, you're misrepresentation of the Scottish Government statement doesn't make it mean what you want it to-it simply refutes the UK government claim that it's agreed to cede testing and supply to Westminster. Sturgeon very clear in stating they already sourced test kits and ventilators from existing manufacturers. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18354670.sturgeon-warned-over-bidding-war-vital-equipment-insisting-scotland-will-buy-ventilators/

Gompels even updated their webpage again, contradicting denials from Hancock and Sunak last night, reiterating that it was instructed by PHE to distribute to England only.

Re: Trump- widely reported by MSM, including BBC , Graun
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-52161995&ved=2ahUKEwiY7ZuOiOroAhUBUcAKHcbPBU4QFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw2TfasR8HLLC0GWbo0WIZAl&ampcf=1

http://www.theguardian.com
US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe

Again, tried to do the same with supplies to Canada and Mexico

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://globalnews.ca/news/6772979/coronavirus-3m-n95-respirators-trump-canada/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiv9sPRiOroAhVPSsAKHecCD08QFjANegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Pnir6znhmkCmvSt-fu_2d&ampcf=1

Again, fuck yourself.

#fakegrus

Tell us again how people speaking Gaelic in the North of Scotland were only doing it to discriminate against you... One of your repertoire of anecdotes giving concrete proof that the Scots are all nasty racists.

Couldn't possibly be your worldview that's the issue, eh?

You get it. But why can't Fox?

Perhaps because he is what Kuenssberg is to the Tories when it comes to anything related to the Westminster vs Holyrood...

Libby Brooks of Graun: https://mobile.twitter.com/libby_brooks/status/1250154199905710087

To be clear, these reports came from care sector professionals & journalists at the Times, the National & others. Scottish Care continues to stand by them, and there's a revealing interview with the head of one PPE manufacturer from
@TomPeterkin
tonight

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobertTyreBute/status/1250127248201572353

report from Reporting Scotland tonight showing written evidence (letters to Scottish & Welsh care providers) from #PPE suppliers stating that they cannot supply to Scotland or Wales due to instruction by PHE

Gee, all that fake news contradicting Matt Hancock that didn't originate from the Scottish Government and was carried by the Guardian, Times, BBC before the National picked it up...

Welsh so placated by Hancock that they're asking the EU to investigate

The Plaid Cymru leader, Adam Price, has written to the president of the European commission, Ursula von der Leyen, to raise the matter and
ask her to look into it. Price said:

I have lodged a formal complaint to the European commission relating
to instructions reportedly issued by Public Health England to the main
domestic suppliers of PPE in the UK not to sell certain high-demand
items to care homes outside of England.

Price claimed this potentially breached EU regulations and added:

I have been made aware of countless cases of care home workers being
left to work with wholly inadequate PPE, endangering themselves and
those they care for.

The Times, on shortage of testing capacity in Scotland and the decision to take testing equipment from Dundee University and relocate it to London:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-health-workers-plead-for-coronavirus-tests-as-no-10-sends-medical-robots-to-london-z3x9bv8d5

Again, the Times is fake news, yeah? and all this evidence from MSM outlets that UK Government is prioritising England is totally unfounded, yeah? 👍

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I think it goes beyond mere semantics or syntax. The Gruber's original post (#9720) sought to draw together four different 'facts':

1. The reports of a 'hijacking' of a consignment of 3M masks said to be destined for the Berlin police, the accuracy of which now seems at best uncertain.
   
2. PPE supply within the UK, and the alleged instruction by PHE to suppliers not to sell outside England. Hancock has said there were no such instructions, and told the other three health ministers this. Whether the Gompels website sales restrictions is cock-up or conspiracy I don't think anyone here really knows.
   
3. Gruber's claim that 'Govt also seized testing kits already allocated to Scotland'.
   
4. Gruber's claim that the government also 'said Scot NHS not allowed to bid for its own kits or ventilators.' This is presumably a reference to the Sky News report claiming that the UK government had taken over procurement of testing kits and ventilators, a report which Gruber posted a YouTube video link to, but which has since been flatly denied by all concerned, including the Scottish government.
   
   

In posts #9744 and #9759 Fox called out Gruber's assertion that 'Govt also seized testing kits already allocated to Scotland'. There is of course a very big difference between testing kits (which Gompels doesn't sell) and PPE (which it does). In response to being called out on the testing kits assertion at point (3) above, Gruber's gone Full Trump, combining deflection (by talking at length about PPE, which is a different topic entirely) and division (ad hominem attacks on anyone who dares to disagree with him). After a brief foray into Godwin's Law territory in post #9750.

tl;dr - More than semantics or syntax. Gruber got called out on testing kits. His replies concern PPE.

has since been flatly denied by all concerned, including the Scottish government.

No, UK Gov/PHE got caught cancelling
guaranteed orders for Wales, then claimed that testing and procurement was being done centrally. The Scot Gov denial is that they gave permission for this to happen, as did Wales, so try again. The devolved administrations then got warned not to bid against PHE. All this is in the Herald article I posted.

The PPE situation is again different and concerns multiple suppliers, which is confirmed by the multiple sources above, including TV report showing several letter from suppliers.

You don't seem to appreciate that NHS Scotland has its own procurement at the same time as participating in the UK scheme. Wales and Scotland both saying that the UK scheme now been diverting supplies to England only, all backed up with written evidence from suppliers.

Scottish funded University mass testing equipment also taken to London at a time when the Scottish NHS states it is struggling for capacity. Backed up by Times report.

Try again.

And for the record, Fox showed his colours quite comprehensively during IndyRef and his anecdotes about people speaking Gaelic somehow being discriminatory against him used to justify his blinkered views still stand..

This seems like a very fair summary, thanks for bothering. I couldn't be, to be honest.

Suffice to say that all the things I'm accused of saying about Scottish people are also untrue.

Oh dear...

They've even started talking to each other via facebook in gaelic, having never shown any interest in the language previously. How does
that make any sense? Why are they doing it?

The SNP, like many nationalist movements, is cult-like. This result
supports that.

Oh dear...

They've even started talking to each other via facebook in gaelic, having never shown any interest in the language previously. How does
that make any sense? Why are they doing it?

The SNP, like many nationalist movements, is cult-like. This result
supports that.

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/12263695/

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"Designed to deliberately exclude those who don't speak Gaelic"

ROFL.

You're a blinkered cunt.

Has this been resolved yet?

Can we not go back to previous happy conversation about Coronavirus?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jan/02/duolingo-sparks-gaelic-boom-as-young-scots-shrug-off-cringe-factor

All those cultish racists eh? Supported by EU funding to preserve indigenous languages...

https://www.politico.eu/article/move-to-put-eu-funding-for-minority-languages-on-firm-legal-footing/

Wait, does speaking Gaelic give you coronavirus?

Can someone do a forum poll to see where people stand? I am on team übe I think