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I think it goes beyond mere semantics or syntax. The Gruber's original post (#9720) sought to draw together four different 'facts':
- The reports of a 'hijacking' of a consignment of 3M masks said to be destined for the Berlin police, the accuracy of which now seems at best uncertain.
- PPE supply within the UK, and the alleged instruction by PHE to suppliers not to sell outside England. Hancock has said there were no such instructions, and told the other three health ministers this. Whether the Gompels website sales restrictions is cock-up or conspiracy I don't think anyone here really knows.
- Gruber's claim that 'Govt also seized testing kits already allocated to Scotland'.
- Gruber's claim that the government also 'said Scot NHS not allowed to bid for its own kits or ventilators.' This is presumably a reference to the Sky News report claiming that the UK government had taken over procurement of testing kits and ventilators, a report which Gruber posted a YouTube video link to, but which has since been flatly denied by all concerned, including the Scottish government.
In posts #9744 and #9759 Fox called out Gruber's assertion that 'Govt also seized testing kits already allocated to Scotland'. There is of course a very big difference between testing kits (which Gompels doesn't sell) and PPE (which it does). In response to being called out on the testing kits assertion at point (3) above, Gruber's gone Full Trump, combining deflection (by talking at length about PPE, which is a different topic entirely) and division (ad hominem attacks on anyone who dares to disagree with him). After a brief foray into Godwin's Law territory in post #9750.
tl;dr - More than semantics or syntax. Gruber got called out on testing kits. His replies concern PPE.
- The reports of a 'hijacking' of a consignment of 3M masks said to be destined for the Berlin police, the accuracy of which now seems at best uncertain.
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has since been flatly denied by all concerned, including the Scottish government.
No, UK Gov/PHE got caught cancelling
guaranteed orders for Wales, then claimed that testing and procurement was being done centrally. The Scot Gov denial is that they gave permission for this to happen, as did Wales, so try again. The devolved administrations then got warned not to bid against PHE. All this is in the Herald article I posted.The PPE situation is again different and concerns multiple suppliers, which is confirmed by the multiple sources above, including TV report showing several letter from suppliers.
You don't seem to appreciate that NHS Scotland has its own procurement at the same time as participating in the UK scheme. Wales and Scotland both saying that the UK scheme now been diverting supplies to England only, all backed up with written evidence from suppliers.
Scottish funded University mass testing equipment also taken to London at a time when the Scottish NHS states it is struggling for capacity. Backed up by Times report.
Try again.
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And for the record, Fox showed his colours quite comprehensively during IndyRef and his anecdotes about people speaking Gaelic somehow being discriminatory against him used to justify his blinkered views still stand..
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This seems like a very fair summary, thanks for bothering. I couldn't be, to be honest.
Suffice to say that all the things I'm accused of saying about Scottish people are also untrue.
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I think both of you are discussing a semantic or maybe syntactic difference.
Is not contradicting
Basically ube is saying all new supplies are being redirected to England and you're arguing that existing supplies haven't been removed from Scotland and sent to England. One of you is right, both of you are right or neither of you are right.