Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

there he is!

I have a family member currently in this situation of being missed off the high risk list, looks like letters went to 900k but another 600k still waiting to hear which is delaying access to some support, in our case it is fine as family members are doing the shopping etc. but quite worrying if you were already a socially isolated person with minimal support network
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52123446

I hear love beads stop you catching it, I've got nothing left to lose...

Well.

You don't have the training or experience to judge who is and isn't a wanker

Oh wait, you do...

Imagine the scenario, you're trapped in a 1 bed flat for the 4th consecutive month on universal credit, forbidden from exercising, and your neighbour is furloughed, has got his immunity passport and has taken on a second job part time at a supermarket and spends the other half of his time sat either in his garden or the newly reopened cafés and parks.

Seems a total non-starter to me. If the burden is not shared equitably then people are not going to comply with rules. There must be an incentive to stay in and immunity passports completely skew the calculation in favour of deliberately infecting yourself (and indirectly others).

Does this mean the shit is going to massively hit the fan in the next day or so and he wants nothing to do with it?

I know the cabinet are an untrustworthy bunch, but you don't have to assume the worst of every single action. Looked at the other way, would the Govester and Lady Macbeth pass up on the opportunity to seize the controls when Boris is out of action?

Most likely, he is following the advice to self-isolate and there is no sub text.

Seems a total non-starter to me. If the burden is not shared equitably then people are not going to comply with rules. There must be an incentive to stay in and immunity passports completely skew the calculation in favour of deliberately infecting yourself (and indirectly others).

Yep, it would be disastrous. If you give people who have had the virus a significant financial benefit for having had the virus, this provides an incentive to become infected. It would be naive in the extreme to think that in those circumstances some people won't try to deliberately get infected in order to obtain that financial benefit. Because bad things only happen to other people, right?

I will always think the worst with that mob.

And the truth will often be worse.

Ramsaye

Good analysis!

And if the test isn't accurate, or the right population isn't tested. Or the right numbers. Then who knows if the.
I can't be bothered to finish that sentence or train of thought.

Until there's a vaccine we're on lockdown with spikes of infection and death.

Until there's a vaccine

I see a lot of people talking about when, not if. Cant help but feel that there is a misplaced confidence that one can be found.

BBC news piece from last night at UCLH ICU. We appear to have ALL the PPE.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-52190961/coronavirus-inside-an-icu-fighting-covid-19

Ok.
I'll qualify that.
Until there's a working, safe for human consumption, vaccine.
Further clarification
That can be rolled out at scale, mass produced to the same standards and is available for buttons to everyone.

Cant help but feel that there is a misplaced confidence that one can be found.

Yeah that's because you are glass half fulling.

Mrs. Howard works in medical research and pretty much everything non-Covid has dried up, or has taken on a Covid angle. Nobody is interested in anything else right now. And the enormity of the prize for cracking this should provide ample motivation for anyone who can work on this to work on this. Precedent - Influenza - suggests that large scale highly effective Vaccines are possible. Until there is evidence to suggest a Vaccine cannot be developed, I'm happy to believe we are on the way.

Fucking jinxed it now probably.

Repeating my question from the previous page, but has a vaccine ever been created for a type of coronavirus? There is no vaccine for SARs I think, and I guess a lot of research effort went into that. I guess the scale of research for this will dwarf that though. Fingers crossed the some of the many smart people working on it figure it out.

For example.
If you don't think the chinese biotech massive aren't out there smashing this through their actually bigger than the rest of the world put together genomics project infrastructure, then, what do you think they're doing?

Repeating my question from the previous page, but has a vaccine ever been created for a type of coronavirus?

For a human coronavirus, no. And not for want of trying.

Precedent - Influenza - suggests that large scale highly effective Vaccines are possible

But influenza isn't a coronavirus. There has never been an effective vaccine against any human coronoavirus to date. That's not a great precedent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7112271/

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses

Who said they weren't? Probably a reasonable assumption that the scale of the brain power being applied to this is vast. Seems reasonable to ask whether it is particularly hard to find vaccines for coronaviruses though. Haven't seen anything written about it.