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Fucking lol

Obesity is a complicating factor which is not named as an an underlying health condition. Might be a relief? 80% of IC patients in the Netherlands are overweight.

Yeah. Obesity seems to track with age so possibly more of a correlation thing.

Edit - not furloughed for now! (probably a good thing)

Wow, that's a huge scam.

I suppose if airBnB isn't as lucrative, maybe those guys won't return.

But there is also a huge failing them on part of airBnB and lack of investment for councils.

Had 2 different sets of people try and get into a non existent airbnb in my block by Loughbrough Junction in the year i was there, media blackout from the 'host' as soon as said people arrive in London. Seemingly excellent value with almost zero reviews...

Yep, that's something that's always worth keeping in mind. Like a statistic I saw on reddit the other day which said 76% of the deaths (I think, might have been of all people on ventilators regardless of the outcome) in Italy have hypertension. Now it seems reasonable to assume that this means hypertension is a problem when you get Covid-19, but at the same time, if you were to sample a population of the same age distribution randomly, the percentage of people with hypertension would be lower, but not that much lower. So another case where it's difficult to immediately tell whether there's causation or just correlation, purely based on the numbers.

AirBNB needs to die. We can bury it next to Twitter. Hopefully.

An article here (in French, sorry) notes that the average age of hospital cases is dropping.

General admissions or ICU? It's the later that's important.

Hunt last night saying govt changed strategy from herd immunity to supression fortnight ago.

Certainly some of their ICU cases are being sent outside the country. Some of the Luxembourg deaths are French ICU patients transferred to the hospitals here.

I cannot say I am a huge fan of it myself... perhaps there are some gaps it fills.

My partner moved out of a flat block with holiday lettings in it, well before airBnB (the noise was a problem, weekend party goers) and you can already let out "houses of multiple occupancy" and a thing like "hotels" exist too. Maybe I am missing something, but I just don't see the need atm.

Sucks for people that genuinely are out of the house a few weeks / have a temp spare room/the house we let in France which is in the middle of nowhere and definitely not causing housing pressure there/ but the abusers ruin it for everyone.

In the case of local lels: Somebody with an AirBnB in a poor area with not enough social housing gave it up for NHS staff. One of my FB acquitances said "nice, but you know, if you release that afterwards for a decent rent, that's even better"

Funny story, our (turns out to be a complete cunt of a) downstairs neighbour let his flat out to one of these 'agencies' mentioned in the article.

Results in stream of Chinese tourists in out of our local authority block towards the back end of last year (amongst other shitiness, the fucking hours I wasted getting this sorted out)

The communal area gets cleaned every week or so. It's mostly concrete with painted and bare metal. The communal door handle is stainless.

Now, mid December I got really sick with this thing that had me stuck in bed for three days that started with a dry shitty cough that just wouldn't leave. I have pre-existing so I'm already shot for the popular flu strains.

Coincidence? Yeah probably, but makes you think. How do you do contact tracing or spread analytics when we are inserting random tourists that cannot be traced in to densely populated residential buildings.

Coincidence? Yeah probably, but makes you think. How do you do contact tracing or spread analytics when we are inserting random tourists that cannot be traced in to densely populated residential buildings.

Contact tracing, as I understand it, is used to identify people that you may have passed the virus on to, not who you may have got it from.

General admissions or ICU? It's the later that's important.

In intensive care, rather than general admissions.
("hospitalisés en réanimation" = hospitalised in intensive care)

"More than 5,100 patients were hospitalized in intensive care on Monday in France."

"...the median age of critically ill intensive care patients had dropped from 60 to 58 years. Half of these patients are therefore under 58 years of age now."

"...the reason for the drop in age of patients is due to the dynamics of the epidemic. Older patients go to hospital first and end up in intensive care, before a second wave of younger patients follows.."

"...we get the sickest patients in the first days; older, more fragile, who resist the virus the least. Then a little later the younger people arrive, those who wanted to stay at home for longer, but who realise that they can't stay any longer because they have respiratory complications and trouble breathing."

I have also wondered a bit about this. Presumably if you have a 50 year old and a 25 year old turn up in the same state and are short of ICU beds, you give the bed to the 25 year old. I say this as a 51 year old

It's more complicated than just age.

I admire the creativity, but like that's gonna work :)

Not sure what town/country, no source.

A question.. my wife is a community nurse for NHS.. she and colleagues use their own cars for visits and whilst their uniforms can be laundered after every shift there are concerns that the car upholstery could be an issue (i guess their partners driving between their shifts etc.)

Does a washable car seat cover exist which would stand-up to daily laundering? - Would this provide any worthwhile protection?

Check some dogging forums maybe?

Interesting panel program on Radio 4 at 9am this morning 'Pandemic Ethics' where they discuss this and other things including stockpiling and using mobile data to track and also catch people not obeying isolation rules.

Thanks, I'll have a listen.

Ta!

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng159/resources/critical-care-admission-algorithm-pdf-8708948893

Can you get a pack of those disposable plastic covers the mechanics put on the seats during services and MOTs?

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