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• A new process for collecting numbers of recovered patients is in development: the figure shown is for 22/03/2020.
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The figure shown is the number of people discharged from NHS clinical services in England following a positive test result for COVID-19. Data have been provided by NHS services. A new process for collecting numbers of recovered patients is in development.

But that doesn't answer the question:
why aren't there more recovered cases?
are all the cases still in hospital?
have they been discharged?

I guess it might have something to do with how they're coded and where they're being discharged to?

Edit.
This is from the PHE dashboard data definitions.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/airbnb-coronavirus-london

Not sure if we had this but the reason for today's large increase in recorded deaths

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/covid-19-deaths-outside-hospitals-to-be-included-in-uk-tally-for-first-time

The Office for National Statistics will start publishing data about the rest of the deaths from 9.30am on Tuesday giving a fuller picture of the impact of Covid-19. They will tally all of the deaths from late December until 20 March which they believe occurred outside hospitals.

Unlike the NHS figures, which are limited to people who tested positive for the disease, they will also include cases where it is mentioned as a suspected cause on death certificates.

Edit: seem this may be a different set of data? not very clear

Playing a very small violin atm. I don't know why this one person is mentioning "rogue agents"? But perhaps London already has some rules on where airbnbs can be, and some people break those.

In Belfast we also have airbnbs in areas with rental pressure/lack of social housing that got bought as second houses for airbnb.

I know there is always a market for rooms (students/people that work temporarily) and that's fine, but in areas that already have a shortage of affordable housing cha... airbnb shouldn't be there.

I don't know why this one person is mentioning "rogue agents"?

Because of this, which is the story they link to as well.

Ugh, the lockdown in Saxony has been extended for another two weeks. Time will tell, but it seems overly cautious given the low number of cases and only acts as fan service for the AfD voters. If they could close the borders or use this as an excuse to deport foreigners I'm sure they would.

The ICD10 guidance is evolving for Morbidity (inpatients), so it covers Positive but asymptomatic, Positive with symptoms like SoB or coughing, Positive with manifestations (pneumonia). It also now has guidance for suspected/probable cases, so expect that to rocket.

Cause of deaths are taken from the death certificates and is Mortality coding, though it uses the same codes. U07.1 and U07.2.

I'd be interested in how they are measuring recovery rates, given that they are probably discharging home if stable to recover, to make sure hospitals only have the unstable patients. Is it positive to negative tests?
It's a lag of 11 days from death certification IIRC.

Good

This has really brightened up my evening.

histper thread tho

Discharge to home, nursing home and so on.
Will it be recorded as those who diagnosed covid, then discharged as "better"? Unsure of testing people really far removed from that world.

Thanks for answering, even if only with more questions but yes, this is the question I was asking

Apparently the reagents are available...

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It's always been scary, but it's getting really awful now. Struggling with all the no-underlying-health condition deaths a bit.

The reporting above of a 91 year old dying with no underlying health conditions made me raise an eyebrow. Being 91 is an underlying health condition!

A quick read of the We Have It thread always seems to be a good antidote to the fear.

The 13 year old from Brixton is more of a shitter.

Always tragic but the lack of "underlying health condition" or not is at the minute, confusing. Although to say either way could compromise anonymity I suppose.

Generally ive wondered if just being a smoker is considered an underlying health condition or not. Its a pretty opaque distinction.

People get discharged to peripheral hospitals or nursing homes or home, usually to convalesce. Acute hospitals don't have the resources to look after people until they are 'better'. Patients don't really get documented as 'healed' from an acute inpatient stay, so it's always the main condition treated or investigated that gets documented, that's why there are so many follow-up outpatient clinics. Then home once able to cope.

As I said in one of the first pages of this thread, the closure of so many cottage hospitals is really going to bite us collectively.

Another example where it should be "no known underlying health issues" given that they are still awaiting the postmortem.

Being 91 is an underlying health condition!

Purely anecdotal evidence from medical staff at my wife's hospital, is that about half of the hospitalised covid-19 patients in France are under 60 years old.

An article here (in French, sorry) notes that the average age of hospital cases is dropping. Currently at 58 years old for France (partly explained by younger people managing the symptoms better and waiting longer than older people before going to hospital).

https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronavirus-pourquoi-l-age-median-des-patients-hospitalises-en-reanimation-baisse-t-il-1884941.html

But the average age of actual (hospital) deaths is 81 years old:

https://sante.journaldesfemmes.fr/maladies/2622115-coronavirus-victime-mort-deces-france-age-femme-homme-jeune-qui-meurt/

April fools everyone, I got you guys so good.

Have we had the cat in HK yet?
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1518084-20200331.htm