Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

What is wrong with people??

Good work, thanks.

https://www.facebook.com/530570678/posts/10157332992690679/?d=n

For someone asking about post in the UK a while back. I've had a parcel sat at Peterborough mail centre since Tuesday according to their Track and Trace website. It was sent as "Tracked 24" too. Initially it said it would be here Wednesday morning but as soon as that time window passed there's been no updates.

Luckily it's not urgent (it's the latest Raspberry Pi 4) and we can make do with the existing RPi 3 for my daughter's ICT lessons.

As a leftie I instinctively support a state implemented measure which may be impractical or costly for me personally, as long as it is designed to bring about a greater good for society as a whole.
But at the same time it is starting to look lik something close to fascism is also stirring out there. People welcoming the various written and unwritten rules as sticks to beat their fellow citizens with. Plenty of angry rants and power trips all over the social meejias these days.

Ditto. Did get a chuckle out of this tweet about it:

@stephenburanyi
It is shocking to me that eastern bloc style communism didn't flourish here. It's like people wanted the culture of the police state with none of the free stuff.

(sauce: https://twitter.com/stephenburanyi/status/1243869774351826944)

Still, at least we don't have that nasty jeremy crobyn, eh? He'd probably have nationalised the bloody railways and organised all sorts of handouts etc etc

people wanted the culture of the police state with none of the free stuff.

Superb

When did the police state ever come with free stuff?!

Other than free ‘accommodation’, obvs.

T'was hard, yes.

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The accommodation I was referring to was of the type in the basement where you leave your fingernails at the door.

Sweden are just taking precautions but keeping businesses open (and expecting to have sufficient surge capacity). Perhaps they are wealthy and healthy and law-abiding enough?

I can’t even stomach news from the US. It’s too terrifying.

What is wrong with people, both the subjects of the tweet and the comments
https://twitter.com/DerWestResponse/status/1244060249402806277

This is good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gt1s

Unfortunately real Covid-19 deaths are much more than what each country officially states.
With the low quantity of available tests, especially who dies at home won't get tested and just treated as suspected Covid-19 death.

I can’t even stomach news from the US. It’s too terrifying.

My cousin in ´Murica is a healthcare pro who works closely with nursing homes. She told me the low-paid, poorly equipped staff there were afraid of contagion and added she was concerned they´d simply walk out.

Unfortunately real Covid-19 deaths are much more than what each country officially states.

Quality of attribution is a massive trigger for me. Do you have any evidence to support this?

Unlike you I’d put money on the opposite and over attribution will be rife, especially in Europe.

Is this year part of an elaborate social experiment to test how long it takes people to murder their neighbours?

Isn't it Y5, dating from a certain gammon-faced politician announcing a referendum?

Unlike you I’d put money on the opposite and over attribution will be rife, especially in Europe.

Yup, same. I'd like to know how exactly Covid-19 deaths would pass unnoticed en masse - it's not like people suddenly collapse out of nowhere and die without showing any symptoms before.

And what I've read on the subject is the exact opposite: in some cases anyone who dies while infected has a good shot at turning up in the 'deaths' statistics, even if the causality is doubtful at best.

Sorry, forgot the sources:

https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/coronavirus-cina-ha-mentito-numeri-ma-wuhan-non-sono-morte-42mila-persone-ADPepmG

https://www.corriere.it/esteri/20_marzo_28/coronavirus-pile-urne-cinerarie-dubbio-wuhan-numero-caduti-b2fd95c2-7126-11ea-a7a6-80954b735fc3.shtml

https://www.agi.it/estero/news/2020-03-27/numero-morti-wuhan-cina-7933961/

These are words of Bergamo's mayor (city with most infected and deaths in Italy)
https://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/gori-bergamo-i-morti-sono-tre-volte-ufficiali-1847147.html

I am so sorry to have to do this again, but we had a delivery to King's College Hospital on Friday and it was gratefully received. However, just got an email from the hospital asking if we could send more supplies as soon as possible as their cupboards are bare again.

I can't remember where I read it, but someone said now that we are all WFH, we can all donate our train / bus money to fundraising like this one.

OK, granted, most of us probably cycle anyway, but just saying...

Please donate if you can, share far and wide.

Thanks

https://www.gofundme.com/f/buy-our-local-nhs-workers-a-nice-meal?

I wouldn't focus much on the Wuhan story, as their numbers can't really be trusted much one way or the other. The story out of Bergamo is a lot more interesting, and the methodology - matching up normal death numbers with recorded numbers of deaths this year, and comparing that to the increase expected due to Covid-19 - seems legit. I'd like to see more examples of that e.g. from the UK though before I'd accept this translates to generally much higher death numbers though.

I can't read Italian - did it give a measure of incremental deaths per thousand in the period?

Donated!