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  • How much more needs to be done before we stop think that it's just business as usual from a cycling perspective?

    Why should one of the most low-risk activities there is, along with walking and running and similar stuff, not be 'business as usual' for as long as possible? Is the goal here to create the maximum disruption possible?

    Why can't we do our bit to minimise risk around cycling before everything else is sorted first?

    We do. No one here advocated going on a big group ride and hanging out together at a cafe. In that sense, it's already not 'business as usual' at all.

    "Well it's all people I've seen recently isn't it? And we're not going to be hugging one another, and the kids have all probably had it already anyway, and we'll all have separate drinks, so it's not like anyone's going to be catching it at a barbecue is it? And we all need to get together now and then to keep our spirits up"

    Sorry, but no. That's just bullshit. There is a very big difference between going for a ride on your own, not touching anything but your bike, with a pretty considerable distance to any other human, and going to a fucking social gathering where you stand around in close proximity, possibly in a semi-enclosed area, and pass each other things.

    This is exactly what I meant earlier: Banning social gatherings is of course under normal circumstances a pretty big violation of people's normal rights, but it makes sense in this context as it is in fact a prime way of spreading the infection very quickly, and therefore a priority in terms of things that need to be addressed. That however does NOT mean we now need to ban everything you could possibly do immediately.

  • Maybe if you weren't 100% sure that what you were doing was 100% the right thing, then maybe you wouldn't be spending so much time and effort trying to justify and find support for doing it. Maybe.
    Just go and ride if you want to.

    Edit: sorry, nobody needs italics in a situation like this.

  • Or maybe, maybe, I now have enough time to spend all day getting pissed off about people's hysteria about going out for some fresh air. Also maybe, maybe, if you don't want to read about this discussion, don't go into a thread that is about literally exactly that.

    @Lolo

    Good god please let's not get started on that debate as well...

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