Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

I just went out to collect a couple of bags of good from Four Boroughs (they've shut down, so have a load of bread, coffee beans, jam, pastries etc etc that they need to sell or bin), as I pulled back in I could see a very long queue for Sainsbury in Forest Hill. Large number of joggers out today, I wonder if we're seeing a combination of sunny Sunday, and paying into the fitness bank to send the Covid-19 angel past the door?

Yep that's Pen Ponds Cafe in Richmond Park, not the Lake District.

Weird, I wonder if the Guardian just took a random photo of cyclists at cafes then, as the headline and text were all about the lake district being over run by visitors on days out

Why would be become immune to something that animals did not manage to fight off?

I would guess that they don't develop antibodies because the virus is harmless to them. But maybe some googling will provide a real answer. Animal transmitted diseases (including viruses) are not rare.

it is wierd out there today, had the feel of a quiet sunday morning
eerie

My downstairs neighbour has the virus... fever, difficulty breathing (but can still cope)... and the loss of smell.

Great... my self-isolation is now whole household in quarantine.

It's good to see Italy trending away from the 33% line, am I alone in thinking that the US is going to swing up above said line in the next week?

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I predict the USA will be the worst off, and potentially by quite a long way.

Looking at the way their administration has handled this, it's hard to imagine it being any worse.

Considering the size of country and the amount of tests they have down, they can't begin to get a handle on the current situation, let alone plan for the next steps.

Busted. Fair play, my bad!

lots of people live in relatively isolated communities though, don't they? will geographical distance help them? (not when it comes to accessing healthcare, but in reducing risk of contagion)

But China still has 1.4B people to either expose to the virus or vaccinate. What's for sure is their coping strategy is not sustainable in the long-term without dramatically altering their position on the global stage.

There are only 3 strategies for Earthlings:
Eliminate the virus out of extinction
Herd immunity*
Vaccination*

*May or may not work dependant on how the virus mutates.

My old man went for a hike in the New Forest today; managed to find a fairly isolated spot to park his car but he said the majority of car parks were rammed and some of the pubs had even ignored the ban and were open. Being in a country which is in lockdown and people opening bars/restaurants face a 10k euro fine or even jail, it's a bit shocking to think that in the UK people seem to think it's all a piss take.

either expose to the virus or vaccinate

Judging by reports from China, the strategy is reliant on enormous testing and tracing capacity and fever clinics that together allow the authorities to jump on new outbreaks until a vaccine is ready.

Only China and US (+some OPEC) are feasibly financially able to so this. And even then, it's a push.

This is all true, but China has a more effective government than the US. Having that much power and being able to wield it without political kickback means they will be able to do things (just as they did with this lockdown) that would be completely impossible in democratic countries.

If people think the messaging here is bad, have a look at the US. The people who actually understand the gravity of the situation are totally shitting themselves, knowing the government are just bumbling around and only worried about it in terms of self-preservation/re-election.

China will have to maintain fast detection, tracing testing and quarantine. It’s reasonable to expect minor outbreaks and several larger waves. This is the least bad option really. On the plus side, they will only get better at this and the measures easier to comply with.

You won’t have true herd immunity in (for example) the UK population until you have a vaccine (and program to keep generating new vaccines).

I live in forest Gate and cycled over to Shoreditch to drop some things off for a friend. I usually just pootle through Victoria Park and then the canal but had to bail from Victoria Park as there was way more people there than usual. Took CS2 and it was lovely absolutely no one about.

In the park most people seemed to just be exercising and keeping a decent distance but there was also quite a few large group of young kids playing football without a care in the world.

Tesco on commercial street had plenty of stock so got my fresh fruit and veg for the week and now enjoying a beer in my sunny garden. All in all, had quite a nice day.

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Wishing you good health and awesome cheese.

I just went for a walk in the local park, it's the busiest I've ever seen it and the children's play area was packed. I know I was there too but at least I was keeping my distance from everyone else, not sending Tarquin off to play with the local plague kid and bring it back to grandma

My parents are now in total Lock down in southsea, their in their 70s but fit and healthy, they walked the camino last year from their front door carry all their kit.

I visited this morning to deliver some bread and veg. I sate on the patio and had a chat with them both though the double glazing. Cycling home later I passed the large tescos extra at port Solent. it was just before 9:00 and cars where queuing out the car park and the entrance to the shop looked like the mall scene from the dawn of the dead, with an hour until it opened, bet that was carnage. Fareham tescos 5 miles down the road looked like a normal Sunday.

Feel very luck to live in a small village with two relatively well stocked shops. I stop at the one stop to get a couple of bits, no bread on the shelves unfortunately. the lady at the till said in a hushed tone, do you need any bread? I said yes and she produced a loaf from behind the counter, said she was look out the the locals.

We’re all goth kids now.

There are parks in Wembley?!

I read that as a species, bats are known to be a reservoir of Corona viruses, which is why i think they are believed to most likely be the source, as they too are commonly eaten in China. But yes, can't say with certainty at this point.

The shopkeeper reaches for the sliced-white or the sawn-off.

Just been through our cupboards, couple of bags of various bits and bobs (noodles, pasta sauces, sugar, lemon squash, biscuits, drinking chocolate, jelly) all bagged up and ready to take to the local foodbank. They were also asking for strong shopping bags and we've ended up with too many of the "bag for life" bags and so 5 or so them can go too.

Greenwich park rammed again today. A proper lock down can't come soon enough. We've seen what happens if people don't act quickly....and the results are being seen in Italy.

Just got back from walking the dog in Greenwich Park - something I do everyday, normally just us, a few other dog walkers and some joggers.

It's the busiest I've seen it since the summer - loads of families playing games and lots of people having picnics.

Was especially pissed of to see a bloke working of his 'cross skills on the hills by Maze Hill. Twat.