MGOOF : Modern groupset on old frame

I'd be very surprised if that fetched £750.

£500 would be a bargain, it's always a buyer's market when it comes to secondhand bicycles.

Remember seeing the frame for sale on here and thinking it was quite a dream.

Personally I think it could stand up to white tape and cables.

The VMB / MGOOF thing is very niche after all. I also suspect that people into it quite like the process of speccing and building their own bikes.

That looks like it's gonna be lovely. +1 on lairy brake cables, maybe a more classic seatpost in black?

Yeah I saw it on here messaged the guy but never got a reply then A few months later it came up on eBay so just had to have it!.

Been thinking for a while as to where to go with the tape and cable colours!, part of me wants to play it safe and go black yet white could work.

Thanks man!, I have got an old campag anthea seatpost laying around so could paint it black with plasti dip paint and see how it comes out as.

Apologies if this is a silly q, but when you guys install a modern 10 or 11 speed group set, which needs a 130mm rear hub, are you just stretching the old frame to accommodate, or looking for older frames which were originally built with 130mm rear spacing?

A 126mm OLD steel frame will easily accommodate a modern groupset.

Just spring it and adjust for any minor changes in alignment with the dropout screws.

Wheel changes are just slightly more of a faff. Cold set it if you’re really bothered.

Ah right. There are older (early / mid 90's?) steel frames that were made for 130mm hubs as well though, right? Maybe for 8 and 9 speed then.

Yep just spring it apart and put any 130mm hubbed wheel in. Wheel/cassette alignment shouldn’t change much, but if it does you can normally recentre the hub/wheel with the screws on older style slotted dropouts provided the frame has them (most older frames do).

Plenty of older frames will take 130mm. Alternatively cold set (permanently bend) the dropouts apart out so they stay at 130mm then get lbs to adjust hanger so derailleur sits straight (again should hardly change but more of an issue with more speeds).

That sounds interesting yeah and I know it's common to do that, but if I could find one which is native 130mm that would be handy and give me some peace of mind.

Just catching up on this thread. This is outrageous.

1990 frame and 2000 group.

1998 frame and 2012 group.

Show-pic-in-new-tab for massive res.

There was a Bill Philbrook frame sold on here for £40 instead of £240 that would look nice with some more modern kit given the geometry and fillet brazed design. I wonder what the new owner will do with it?

give me some peace of mind.

The stays are what, like 420mm long?over all that length, it’s 2mm per side to get a 130mm wheel in.
It will be as fine as standard

The Serotta is lovely

I would advise to always coldset to 128-130mm when using 130 mm OLD hubs and adjust the dropouts so they are 100% parallel at this distance. The reason for this is in my opinion not the ease of wheel changes (because as said, you can put a 130mm wheel in 126 frame without much problems) but the fact that with the wheel in the frame, your dropouts should be 100% parallel to eachother. If you don't align the dropouts properly, this will cause unnecesarry stress on the bearings, which will cause play after some time. At least, that's my experience with neo retro builds. Correct me if I'm wrong, I would be happy to learn.

Never noticed uneven bearing wear but then I’ve always adjusted the dropout screws to ensure the wheel sits straight.

I think we’re agreeing with each other about what to do but provided you adjust the dropouts you don’t need to cold-set

That Serotta is one of my favourite forum bikes.

Big upgrades over the winter.

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Magnificent !

That's really good

That Tommasini - oooft.

Strong page.

New page fail.

f*ck me sideways... excellent