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I thought it wouldn't be necessary to say it, but of course I have immense sympathy for people running businesses which won't be viable in the short term. I hope the government will take reasonable steps to limit the damage and suffering caused by the current situation. My point was merely that once this is over, hard while it will be for now, there's no reason why the small businesses, football clubs, theatres and music venues can't reopen and start again. I'm not suggesting it will be easy, because it won't. But throwing our collective hands in the air and shouting 'we're doomed, life will never be the same again' isn't going to help. Nor does it have to be true.
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Which you kindly left me out :-(
Sorry ot hear this my friend. I'd offer a beer, but then youd have it without me.
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just a bit baffled as to how people has managed to strip it bare with the 2 per person restrictions in place.
Hundreds/thousands of people.
Nearest Sainsbury's Local had been fine (well, it was out of loo roll within the first few days and only recently had problems with bread/eggs) but that was until this morning. Never more than 10 or so people in there at any one time.
This morning there were queues outside at 8.15am and it was stripped bare by 9am.
Limits of 2 of anything per person are all well and good but if you've got thousands of people coming then it's all going to go very quickly.
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Someone in my building has had 2 (48) packs of TP delivered... What the actual ACTUAL fuck...
@chalfie, how long does your family take to get through a said amount of loo roll?
How long would even a large family take?!!?
Fuck me, people are idiots.
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Not sure if anyone has had a chance to read this yet;
The bill being pushed through today;
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/en/20122en.pdf
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Someone in my building has had 2 48 packs of TP delivered... What the actual ACTUAL fuck...
@chalfie, how long does your family take to get through a said amount of loo roll?
How long would even a large family take?!!?
Fuck me, people are idiots.
Well, if I run out I'll be asking you for their address, I have any number of power tools that should make accessing their stock fairly straight forward.
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sadly not sure which flat as it was left with all the other amazon packages while the driver ran off in fear.
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there's no reason why the small businesses, football clubs, theatres and music venues can't reopen and start again.
I think this is where you are going wrong.
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Long term maybe, but it will take years. This isn't just a mothball situation - if you run a small independent bar / theatre / whatever you currently have no revenue and stock going off, staff to pay or let go, and despite the chancellors plans, still outgoings - utilities, wifi, etc etc.
Many, many businesses can't afford not to be trading and will go under. They can't close for a month or 2 and then pick up where they left off.
Then who has the cash to start new businesses in the face of a massive global recession? -
Saw two women in tescos buy all the frozen pizzas then remove them from all their packaging in order to pack them in their bags. There's gonna be a lot of scurvy going round.
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Yeah no idea, they left a mountain of boxes behind.
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Then who has the cash to start new businesses in the face of a massive global recession?
It will happen regardless. Maybe not as many as before, but that's due to that global recession, and it would have happened all the same when that recession hit - and yes, we were due one in any case, maybe the Coronavirus saved us from an even more massive crash after an even more prolonged bubble. And maybe people's urge to finally go out and do things again will help too.
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I think this is where you are going wrong.
Fair enough, but some explanation of why would be helpful. I'm always willing to listen to other people's opinions and arguments, but 'You're wrong' doesn't provide much material to work with.
At the moment there is demand for the services being provided. For the short term, those services can't be provided and the demand is no longer there. Once this is over, my assumption is that the underlying demand will still be there, and while it won't happen overnight people will respond to that demand by satisfying it.
If you think that a temporary suspension of supply will either kill off the underlying demand permanently, or will permanently remove the capacity to supply that demand, I'd be interested to know how and why you believe that to be the case.
Again, I'd hope it wouldn't need to be said, but just in case it is - I'm not having a go at you or anyone else. I'm genuinely interested to understand other points of view.
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Well, we are a family of 5. 2 female, 3 kids are large teenagers. Went into 14 days isolation with 18 rolls in the bank, which is pretty much our usual stock level.
Should just about make it through i reckon, but have had to have a family conference about use per occasion.
Will be reviewing stocks at the weekend and seeing if increased measures are needed.The escalation protocol is Advisory chat>rationing>bucket and old muslins>hand held shower.
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Precisely this. And we're going to see a lot of cafes/restaurants/sports clubs/pubs/music venues who have been fighting the good fight against developers for years going under, and they'll be swept away for flats.
Yes, there will be some new ones which are able to open, but there'll be a lot of businesses gone for good with people losing pretty much everything, as well as a lot of the country's cultural life. The idea that they'll dust off the surfaces and pop back out again in September as if nothing happened is fanciful at best.
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However, early this year I stumped up the lions share of my life savings to launch a business venture
There is no more money to do it again. This is the situation a lot of small businesses are likely to find themselves in, and unlike banks and major corporations, they are unlikely to get any useful bailouts from the government
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Me and my wife (both Senior clinical NHS) are waiting to see what happens with regards to being potentially asked to be redeployed to other work areas.
Our (in our respective work areas) current main priority is getting people out of hospital and freeing up beds , supporting other clinical staff and then trying to deal with the domino effect of crap that will hit the community = reduced Mental Health input for clients = increase use of crisis services and very unlikely to get a Mental Health bed admission.
Care agencies (for physical health problems especially) will need to pick up the hospital discharges but it's a nightmare getting care for a lot of people (especially complex packages and end of life care) at the best of times.
There's talk of training admin staff up as carers to help out..!
The weird side of this though is that in the long run the populations' general health (if we learn anything from this experience) should improve (less pollution / re-evaluation of what is important in life) but there will always be a load of selfish people who won't change...I expect all the holiday homes rich people own in Devon and Cornwall will now be lived in instead of for a holiday - maybe some locals should start squatting them...?
I wish people would also stop posting smug images of them having a casserole in front of a fire in their country pad or footballers doing keepy uppies by their private pools (F off the lot of you) -
I sincerely hope that that woman with a persistent dry cough and appalling lack of hand control did not take out your chief medical officer seated next to her at the Academy of Medical Sciences news conference earlier today.
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I noticed that our Tesco was out of mouthwash...i mean wtaf?