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Dry cough is one of the the reported covid19 symptoms? Not a chesty phlegmy cough. But guess it could have been. Do you know if you passed it on to anyone?

Edit- just looked up symptoms and it just says ‘cough’. Don’t know where I got the dry bit from

Possibly. Could be influenza.
You'd need to have an antibody test to determine that.

I’d say unlikely unless you were in close contact with someone who had/has it.

Utah is a bit of an anti vaccination hotspot though.

Utah was our annual kick off conference- close quarters with a couple of thousand people from all round the world.

I think one of the problems in casual diagnosis is that the symptoms can be so varied.

Generally speaking I've heard doctors say it's usually not very snotty or phlegmy in mild cases but I've also read some diagnosed people saying they had really heavy cold symptoms.

Utah is a bit of an anti vaccination hotspot though.

Shallow gene pool though.

My job is collecting people's crash damaged cars for repair. This sometimes includes giving them a courtesy car. We have an app on our work phones which ends the transaction with the customer signing on the screen. I'm not happy with the face to face interaction at present and will probably sign it myself, in their view, from now on.

Can I just ask if someone can find mean example of 'herd immunity' being explicitly used by:

-CMO
-BJ, Hancock or other.

I've searched the transcripts of published speeches from the CMO and the PHE action plan and I cannot find it.

As far as I can tell-and admittedly a less thorough search than I would like- 'herd immunity' has been used by others to describe the UK's response only.

As such- Hancock stating that 'herd immunity' is [not a part of the] plan is POTENTIALLY a clarification of a public misunderstanding, that -due to the nature of its relative explainability vs a much more likely nuanced approach- has spread.

I highlight potentially as I want to see where the phrase and the usage of it has stemmed from.

With regards to symptomatology:
https://emcrit.org/ibcc/COVID19/#signs_and_symptoms

Any idea how long it might be before more meaningful data comes from Italy? akin to that from China studies.

has anyone seen any evidence or footage from italy over the past 36 hours? im just thinking that the most likely situation is something like the 1995 film Congo, where an aggressive group of gorilla-like apes has taken over. could this also be the case in iran, France and Sweden? it's too early to say, but as I say, I have no reason to believe this will not happen in the uk in 12-14 days.

Pigeons vs Seaguls death match surely

2 years?
As far as I can tell- our most usable dataset is south Korea.
The extent of testing is unrivalled and as such gives a better whole-population based picture vs hospital attendee picture.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know how Eastern Europe is doing?
So many headlines fighting for my attention these days that I wouldn't have a clue what is happening in Slovakia or Romania for example. My thinking is that if they are behind in preventive measures they might be properly fucked in a couple of months time. And as they are the people who actually still make stuff the general European economy might be significantly affected.

Live cams of Italy here...

https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia.html

Pretty fucking empty.

People are still trying to establish good data from the pandemic in 2009 and even then the death toll is only estimated as between 150k and 570k. It would appear that it's very difficult to capture good data during a pandemic.

the lack of balconies to sing from here in the uk should be front and centre at the next cobra meeting

As i understamd it they are taking measures like some other countries around the continent.
Have heard about Poland shutting borders, Slovakia shutting airports, Hungary shutting pubs etc and cancelling the first few stages of the Giro

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/03/02/clean-phone-twice-day-prevent-spread-coronavirus/

Caveat: Not public health advice, one study etc.

It's always said keyboards are dirtier than toilets though so I can believe phone screens are dirty. Presumably your phone screen will only have the virus if you put it there though?

from what i understand, berlusconi, Paolo maldini, and all of the band pooh are dead. a bold claim? perhaps, but as the most lurid of many logical outcomes I can imagine, it must surely be correct

Will avast work on Android?

It’s the 5g your phones are pumping out that is actually the concern regarding covid

(Troll post)

As mentioned, Poland have shut borders as of last night.
Schools, colleges universities closed.
Concerts cancelled.
The church are telling people to go to church to pray.
And to take holy communion.

ETA - I was at a funeral last Wednesday here in the UK. Polish Roman Catholic church service. The priest was giving out holy communion.

Sure, but I’m thinking more the critical end of hospitalisation mortality, age, Co morbidity as listed on worldometers, those are currently just China stats.
If we are so drastically on the wrong path in Europe data comparing Italy to China or SK will surely be the only way to convince people how server the isolation measures are required to be?

It was Sir Patrick Vallance who said it, @Fyoosh posted it up:

“Our aim is to try and reduce the peak, broaden the peak, not suppress it completely; also, because the vast majority of people get a mild illness, to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission, at the same time we protect those who are most vulnerable to it.” — Sir Patrick Vallance.

Some videos of this same line:

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavi­rus-sir-patrick-vallance-covid-19-herd-i­mmunity-2449703