Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/10/david-squires-on-british-footballs-reaction-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak

What's this "we"?

Surely London is going to get hit pretty hard in the next week or so if the reported cases have been travelling around on the underground at rush hour.

Actually another coach load just turned up, plane fairly full, but I have three seats to myself at the moment.

Cough loudly every now and again and you can probably keep it that way.

I don't have to self isolate as far as I can tell...

It’s going to be really interesting to watch the US treat a pandemic as a culture war.

From the safe position of a country refusing to participate in EU pandemic control systems because it might weaken their Brexit negotiation stance, with remainers citing the pandemic as proof of the fragility caused by Brexit and leavers claiming it as proof that we need stricter immigration controls.

Singapore is on the list is it not?

Regarding the duration of hand washing, 20 seconds has been mentioned on here as well as elsewhere so many times that I had to check the NHS website. Worryingly, it does say 20 seconds. Did they just copy the WHO guidelines (40-60 seconds) and just cut n paste 20 seconds from the same organisation´s HAND RUB guidelines?!

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Hand_Hygiene_Why_How_and_When_Brochure.pdf

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/best-way-to-wash-your-hands/

There is no fucking way anybody could possibly cover all those steps in a mere 20 seconds.

I've been forced to stay away from work for 2 weeks.

Working with rough sleepers is proving quite tricky at the moment and we're braced for a high number of undiagnosed infections amongst a vulnerable group of people with significant underlying conditions, zero chance of following advice on hand washing, etc., not registered with GPs and with no way of self-isolating. It's going to be horrendous. Homeless people in temporary accommodation and hostels are not much better off.

If there is one positive to come out of this it will be to realise how many non-esse trial/completely unnecessary airplane flights we take all the time.

The number of people who learned to spell Eyjafjallajökull is significantly larger than the number of people who chose to take fewer flights after it had finished erupting.

Iceland is a bit unique, but fascinating history. I recommend everyone go there at least once in their lives, if only to eat puffin or the putrefied shark or the alcohol with it.

I wish we had our old forum names again.

It is gods will that you die then? Will prayers cure you?

I see them wearing man made fibre....so they are going to hell anyway.

Very good.

Give 111 a call.

My colleagues returned from Italy a similar time to you, and the advice given to them this morning was 'isolate for a few days'.

I hadn't even thought about this. Typically right? I mean, that's the big fucking problem.
Good luck.

Thanks, I just need to give my computer keyboard wipe in case someone used it over lunch, then I'll get on to it

I wouldn't bother wiping it.

It is an interesting and important aspect of health care. In the US, even those most fundamentally opposed to helping people who cannot afford to pay are going to wake up to the reality that unless one cares for everyone, one exposes oneself to greater risk of infection.

Where's that data from?
I read that Italy have about 5000 IC beds in Italy as standard (rising to 7,500 in emergencies) for a population of about 60 million people, while France has about 13000 IC beds as standard, for a population of about 67 million people.

The two healthcare systems are also very different. Italy is more
vulnerable to fast-moving outbreaks. Under normal circumstances, there
are about 5,000 intensive care and resuscitation beds in Italy, RTL
reported. As a result of the coronavirus crisis, that capacity will
rise to 7,500, as 20,000 medical staff are brought in to deal with the
healthcare situation. France has about 13,000 intensive care and / or
resuscitation beds as standard in public and private hospitals.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/covid-19-outbreak-in-france-more-healthcare-restrictions-likely-but-french-are-better-equipped-to-handle-coronavirus-spread-than-italy

Edit: maths done
Which puts Italy at 8.3 /12.5, and France at 20.
Living in France, I find that more comforting...

Thank you - I'm also concerned with flight companies going pop due to lack of use.

form here:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Numbers-of-critical-care-beds-corrected-for-size-of-population-per-100-000-inhabitants_fig1_229013572

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229013572_The_variability_of_critical_care_bed_numbers_in_Europe

maybe the difference is because of this:

We identified 2,068,892 acute care beds and 73,585 (2.8 %) critical care beds. Due to the heterogeneous descriptions of these beds in the individual countries it was not possible to discriminate between intensive care and intermediate care in most cases.