Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

They came from forrin.
What more do you need to know?
These aren't English diseases. We don't want them being forced on us. I didn't vote for this.

Just went through a list of notable pandemics. China is definitely at the top of the pandemic league table but there are plenty of other origin countries.

Yeah it's a fair point. Swine is multiple source, MERS is Saudi.

That said, it does not excuse the Chinese from sorting their issue out... As should other responsible parties to a cause.

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Chinese media have wheeled out a scientist who says it didn't originate in China anyway so nerrrrr. Well that was predictable... Hopefully when the CCP eventually picks a country to blame they won't treat them the way they did Mexicans during swine flu.

Isn't the Pangolin stuff just basic fucking racism?

White people deciding what is and isn't an acceptable thing to eat regardless of any foreign cultural nuance?

i'll be roasting a giant panda and a tiger on the barbie this evening, all welcome

Pangolins are endangered and trafficked illegally in Asia, so while I agree that there is a bit of "ewww I don't eat that so no one else should", it's totally wrong for anyone to be eating animals that are endangered.

.... oh

it's totally wrong for anyone to be eating animals that are endangered.

Yeah. But they're so tasty.

A more diplomatic response than was deserved.

general public health measures for preventing spread of the disease would be useful.

What type of measures?

Isn't it all simple stuff like hand washing, cleaning surfaces and staying at home if your unwell. Not the bio suits and quarantine notices that seem to have been all over the papers since yesterday.

So this is doing the rounds again because of the facemask panic:

Doesn't help that it looks like something from the wall of a barbershop in Planet of the Apes.

So what I'm getting from reading various stuff is that containment is pointless . We're all probably going to get it at some point. It may end up being very like the flu in that outbreaks are regular occurences. Press have blown the threat very much out of proportion. Am I wrong?

I wouldn't say it's pointless, it'd save quite a few lives overall if they could contain it. That being said, it seems like a lot of places aren't taking that responsibility very seriously.

This is interesting

Chinese health officials say that about 14% of patients in Guangdong province who had the coronavirus but recovered and were discharged from hospital have tested positive for the virus again.

Health officials admit they're still learning about the new coronavirus and how it operates within the human body.

The same phenomenon has been reported in Japan, when a woman in her 40s who had recovered and tested negative for the virus then tested positive more than three weeks later.

The authorities in both countries have pledged to continue tracking former patients, even after they've been discharged from hospital.

Given that around 1-2% of people are dying from it, and normal flu is 0.01% fatal and that the most vunerable can't be vaccinated against it like flu, I'd say we very much should be doing what we can to contain it as much as possible. If we all get it that's somewhere around 1m dying in the UK. Quite a serious threat.

Seasonal flu has a case fatality rate of around 0.1%. This has an estimated case fatality rate of around 1%. That is a massive difference.

Appropriateness of equipment is an important part of PPE though...

Hoods for hipsters!

There are approx 3000 deaths in approx 82000 known cases. So about 3%. Is this what we compare to?
There have been 12 deaths in the Italian cluster of nearly 500 cases. This is slightly lower.
Is this what we compare to?
What about the ships?

I mean. We'd need to do some sort of rate comparisons and look at different things like population involved (who dies and all that).

What do the dead people look like? Age? gender? co-morbidities?
What does the general infected population look like?

For the DIY enthusiast

How the fuck do I wear a bike helmet with that?

I'm starting to get pretty alarmed now... For once I'm very happy to be living on a massive island far away from everything, I hope that's enough of an obstacle...

I've got a ticket for Amyl & The Sniffers next week, thinking about giving it a miss... I prefer the early stuff anyway...