EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

And yet the govt has spent years moving the goal posts so now we have the lowest unemployment figure in decades, let's just push aside the the in-work poverty figures.

Don't forget implementing criminal levels of educational "funding" at primary and secondary levels and introducing fees for higher education. Their role as the key initial "trainers" of the UK workforce completely bypasses them.

1/8th wit is my current estimate.

Edit: Wrong person. She could well be a halfwit.

Maybe this was all part of a plan. Keep the latest generation uneducated unless they're from a rich family so there's people who are only qualified to mop floors.

edit - keep the povvo's where they belong etc.

I would guess that the Ayn Rand readers of the front bench (Patel et al) think that this new legislation will force companies to make new interns, trainees, etc, to fill gaps in the workforce. This is a very simplistic reading of what will happen, because most of the front bench are very simplistic people.

I think your giving her too much credit, go back and listen to it again. She either doesn't know the difference or she isn't able to string together a coherent sentence.

Can you imagine the headlines (beyond twitter) if Diane Abbott had made that gaff over, and over again.

Do we know what she doing to help the victims of counter terrorism yet ?

She could be a manchurian candidate

Yeah - I'm not sympathetic to her at all, and I give her no credit for anything she's achieved. The interview was a car crash, but the attention shouldn't have been wholly on that phrase.

She couldn't string together a sentence as her objective in the interview was just to keep talking to limit the questions that could be posed to her, all the while saying nothing and making no actionable statement. It's that evasiveness, and her (and other ministers mindset) that that's how the job should be done that should be better challenged.

The actual misspeak - I (personally) think it's unlikely she doesn't know the difference, and I don't think that's as big a deal as the world made out. Focusing on it was pretty funny, but probably a diversion.

Can you imagine the headlines (beyond twitter) if Diane Abbott had made that gaff over, and over again.

Yes, it would be all over the place, but we'd be defending her by saying it was an accidental phrase that had got stuck in her head over the course of the interview, which is the simplest and most likely explanation. There's no denying that the broadcasters (and audience) have double standards.

Edit: I've just read her comment on the floods in the News thread:

"The whole of government is working and empathising with the
individuals that rightly have been affected."

She's a really bad speaker.

I'm not sure I quite follow the argument. I think more often than not, the idea is to create the opposite of a brain drain (which, after all, is generally recognised to be a bad thing when it comes to e.g. 3rd world countries) by letting only people with a certain skill level in.

The policy is designed to placate people who, amongst other things, think foreigners are stealing jobs from them. That particular score point means "It's ok for forrins to steal the good jobs, we're just protecting the shit jobs for you shit people".

The Kippers don't like Indian software consultants coming here any more than they like Indian schoolteachers. If they think it through, they shouldn't like that particular scoring mechanism. But since they mostly think non-white forrins aren't capable of the smart jobs, they probably won't think that far.

They only used points because for some reason people fetishize the idea of "Australian points based system".

@andyfallsoff But points means it's meritocratic!

But since they mostly think non-white forrins aren't capable of the smart jobs, they probably won't think that far.

Ah I see, that was the bit I was missing. Yeah I mean this won't work out the way they're hoping in any case.

Funny isn't it? Want to come over and run an Amazon warehouse full of exploited lower class Brits like a slave driver? Come on in. Want to clean our toilets for us? You're out, you bastard

I wonder how many points you get if you're an expert in Terrorism, or even in Counter-Terrorism.

/s

I vaguely remember from economics classes that full employment is a unicorn

When I studied economics I recall that 2 - 3% was considered a sensible number. If you get below 2%, weird things start to happen.

weird things start to happen.

Workers have some power.

Will they apply the English speaking requirements to the good people of Liverpool?

Wooooooaaaaaah.

The reactions in here are pretty tapped. Rightly or wrongly the points based system is designed to slow immigration of ‘expensive’ low skilled new-families to poor areas … because this is largely what motivated Brexit voters, killed Labour support and sent voters to the Conservatives in the recent GE. Go to somewhere like Morley and this is music to their ears and/or expected.

Productivity stalls because workers are effectively un-sackable (or so the theory goes).

Does this woman not know how refugees and asylum seekers are treated?

I have read stories about unjustifiable case-processing times but are refugees generally treated badly?

From my experience working with a few refugees from Afghanistan I don’t see that. It’s an inherently difficult thing they’re doing (especially for the older men who find themselves a bit lost) but I don’t think they feel badly treated. Am I seeing the exception or the norm?

The english language requirement in UK visa is an ancient thing that can be proven by either a degree at an English language university (UK or abroad) or IELTS Test.

I have done the IELTS probably 4 times for this (you know because you forget english every two years and have to top up); the one in Lewisham is just opp shopping centre.

It is true that people only work productively when the bosses boot and threats of destitution hang over their heads.

Priti Patel is a fucking numpty.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/nick-ferrari-priti-patel-immigration-rules-point-based-1884000

Can't wait until non believers are all deported

I despise Priti Patel as much as the next man. She's the sort of divisive muppet that gets added to reality shows for the entertainment value.
But am not OK with all the news articles where the "her parents wouldn't have gotten in under her proposed system" is presented as a kind of "gotcha!" rhetoric. A brown person is no more responsible for her parents actions than anyone else. She is a fully British citizen and can have any opinion on immigration she likes, she doesn't owe the past system any debt of gratitude.

The policy is likely based on the data Cummings and his cronies have pulled together. It’s a response to public opinion on the net cost of migrants (which varies across skill level).

I agree that ingrained xenophobia is a major motivation for Leavers but constantly presenting the least-charitable version of the Leaver argument is useless and turns this thread into a boring echo chamber.

So, person implementing anti-immigration laws being child of immigrants who would not be allowed into the country under the scheme she's implementing is not a point for discussion?

That doesn't strike you as hypocritical at all?

Not sure where the brown bit comes into play, unless you get extra points in this scheme for not being brown.