• What good reasons?

    This is something I've had a bit of an awakening on recently. When the Tories tried to bring in compulsory ID cards we all pushed back against it - Orwell, big brother, etc., and they backed away. That felt like a good reason at the time.

    However those cards would've enabled quite a lot of the nonsense that Farage and his ilk talked, especially the stuff about 'open borders' and 'not knowing who's here' and so on, to be challenged effectively.

  • However those cards would've enabled quite a lot of the nonsense that Farage and his ilk talked, especially the stuff about 'open borders' and 'not knowing who's here' and so on, to be challenged effectively.

    Would they though? Wouldn't the implementation of ID cards have been just as incompetently handled as settled status and everything else. I think a lot of the resistance was because people did not trust that they wouldn't be mis-used by government, but also because they didn't trust that they wouldn't become some public-private commercial interests nightmare. Anglo civil liberties or not, there would be a lot less issue if people thought it would be done competently in a carefully limited capacity.

  • Aye. Civil service/institutional culture has a lot to do with this. There are countries where the population trust administrators with this kind of thing and even some countries where the administrators deserve it. In the UK, both public and private sector have a pretty shitty attitude with regard to information, protective of information that should be shared, careless of the information/privacy rights of individuals.

  • They (Farage etc) would just have insisted that the ID cards only told you who that person was - verified / sponsored by the govt. That they didn't confer or confirm citizenship.

    They might have been right - I can't remember originally whether they were meant to say any more than ID of the holder.

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