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Perhaps the damage won't be forever, and in 20 years when the younger generations outnumber the minority of "but the old days" and "them furrin's" and "remember when the UK was great?" will be able to move the UK back towards the open liberal society it says it is.
It is not a given, this has galvanized a lot of people that normally don't care about politics though.
In the meantime it is pretty grim, but this post colonial hangup seems to be something a lot of countries went through, and now it is the UK that has to deal with it...and I still go through bouts of sadness walking around Belfast thinking NI really doesn't deserve more misery.
A border poll here is also at least 20 years off.
In the meantime, tell people about settled status, if you have no time to volunteer at least give money to causes and homeless people, join a political party if you feel like it and so on.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51351677
Boris: No goods or any checks from GB going to NI
Stena Line: Em, we know that is not true, really, we need to know what to do
Boris: No checks needed
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Will the new younger generation have the same view?
I imagine the school curriculum will have been 'adjusted' appropriately about this event by then
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Really depends on what happens, I don't think anyone can say.
I'd love to believe that we might benefit from the breakup of the Union and become a much more self-aware, responsible country in a loose federation with Scotland and Wales.
I don't think that'll happen, I think we'll end up as a bitter basket-case which will never take responsibility for anything, but maybe we can drag something good out of this.
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Assuming something doesn't happen that will lead them to hark back to the old day where the UK was mostly white and furrin's knew their place (it is mostly the older generation that is anti international in most countries, so probably not too likely) and since there are no fond memory anyway where of being able to buy a 3 bedroom house on 1 salary and other "but the old days..." I'd say there is a chance of a rejoin or at least a good boot up the hole to the Cons.
I doubt they'll forget about the lies and BS too, now if Brexit becomes a super success then it is different but so far both practicalities (not wanting to compromise and losing a lot of service access to the EU and with that lots of £ and jobs) and values (international UK but blaming other countries and furrin's) don't make me think it will be.
20 years though and the work starts now and no guarantee we get a border poll either here in Norn Eire :/
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This is fckg awful and I hope not the first of many more to come.
We had a Polish guy beat up to death in the days following the Referendundum results. These people don't realise without Forrins the country would probably slow right down. I feel lucky that living in London you're mostly spared these sorts of xenophobic displays however it's scary. -
Johnson has apparently tried to restrict journalist access to a chosen set:
(although it's since been spun as having been a 'specialist briefing' and only 'specialist journalists' were invited - the Guardian says this is false).
Kudos on them for walking out rather than putting up and just reporting on it.
It's becoming quite Trumpian, quite quickly.
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Bingo.
The paradox:
Brexit was popular on the promise to ‘get back control’ of borders in order to reduce costly immigration. Opening borders to (relatively costly) non-eu migration in order to fill roles previously taken by (relatively un-costly) eu migrant workers.Brexit may slow immigration. That might be enough for Leave voters. But I doubt it. They’ll still not really like brown people.
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You think you have settled status! You better start bigging up your Wikipedia page for when the immigration police come knocking.
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Bear in mind as well that people on working visa are now tied to their employer for 5 years and so pretty easy to overwork and abuse in other ways.
It may avoid the abuse in low wages roles where people were laid off in fake redundancies and minimum wage immigrants rehired (yes that's a UK problem but...I don't get anywhere explaining that to Brexys)
Or create the same problem in another wage band cos you better shut up if you don't want to lose your job and visa? Maybe not?
I don't know for sure if it's going to give the nativists what they want or the law of unintended consequences will come into effect and they'll still complain.
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All those things are going to make a tangible difference to people's quality of life over the coming years...
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Sunak is a version of Toby Young - Young gets wheeled out when no one else will support a policy that is clearly insane, evil or both. Sunak is a rising star because he'll tell obvious, huge lies, one after another, with conviction. He was used heavily in the GE for this purpose.
His lack of integrity is a huge plus for his career in the current political milieu, and his ability to instantly reverse his position when the time comes (we have always been at way with Eastasia) will serve him well in the future.
All of the current bollocks is chest beating for UK consumption, the EU are ignoring it.
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Given they as much as admit that it's posturing in order to get "the best deal", I'm surprised they're trying it again. It's as obvious as using Gibraltar as a bargaining chip too.
That said, I do wonder if Boris wouldn't give up the rock in order to get a trade deal given the majority of people would be hard pushed to find it on a map so he just has to throw out a bunch of waffle and sophistry to cover up.
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The bargaining chip shtick didn't work with citizen rights (though in effect we are ALL worse off, Brits abroad and no Irish EU citizens here)
Things is though that the backpedalling either become mega impossible due to the posturing OR everybody gets fooled anyway, after all after the bus and "take back control" I don't get the impression they care about honest engagement and truth and such minor details.
NI has been thrown under the Wrightbus too (the backstop was nonsense but better) so Gibraltar, cha...probably dispensable too.
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It's the end for Great Britain, it's been a long time comin'... Was watching a programme on the fall of Singapore in WW2 the other day and it struck me that the level of hubris displayed by the British army back then was echoed by parts of the British electorate in the referendum... Still amazing to watch what's happening from afar... Fucking tragic... Zero self awareness...
https://youtu.be/EL3pP29N-Wc