EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I mean, the DUP's decision making is basically "Right, what's the decent thing to do in this situation? Let's do the opposite of that". So it's not entirely surprising!

I feel English above all else, but I'm also not too keen on Little England.

The fucking stupidity you see on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/FreddyBerton/status/1214902737063882753

"You're not getting your precious FOM.
You lost
Get over it
or feel very free to move to an EU country."

Uh. What?

Jesus Christ clicking on that link and scrolling down reveals one huge shitfest.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1214871737042657282?s=19

A comment I'm seeing a lot on fb now:
'trade deals the eu has with other countries like japan and canada don't have free movement of people so why should ours'

Someone else arguing blocking freedom of movement will save the NHS, then getting given graphs from .gov.uk then saying 'lol not all the internet is true'

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/01/09/with-his-majority-in-place-johnson-chips-away-at-eu-citizen?fbclid=IwAR0rPX7t_fVapSjT-b-QY5xGCCdbVgfkdqSwjYfeVxIUI4yJ6yfQFvX8L1o

Welcome Windrush2 in a few years...

Going for the most extreme policies, as most people aren't that bothered by people already here, but they want to please those blowhards and other empty vessels.

Those are also a lot more limited in access for physical items and services.

But sure, limited services access for an economy that relies a lot on selling services and trying to negotiate that back which will take over a decade and will in any case need easy visa access, while other countries will take the EU services market share from the UK when they can (not blaming them, the UK would do the same)...in a country that can only produce about 60% of its own food and isn't big enough for autarky (trading nearly only internally, using your own goods)

Nobel prizes right there! :)

Can they note fence only them in and leave the rest of us out of it? ;)

Yep, not my opinions

Understood, was just commenting on the genius of the posts you commented on :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51051178

Bill's passed. Not Bill Cash, the Brexit bill.

"All 330 votes in favour were Conservative."

Undoubtly so.

but they want to please those blowhards and other empty vessels.

It's only just occurred to me that when Boris said he wanted to "earn the trust of those who had lent us their votes" it can be interpreted in several ways. Most optimistically it could mean that the tories will invest in "forgotten" areas, do their best to protect jobs and public services and generally be less tory-ish. Alternatively, it could mean that they're going to pander to every little-England, Daily Mail-reading, petty, xenophobic, mean-spirited, and generally shitty sentiment that they detect in their voters in order to build a Trump-style base of irredeemable cuntbaskets.

Which will it turn out to be folks? Let's watch!

it could mean that they're going to pander to every little-England, Daily Mail-reading, petty, xenophobic, mean-spirited, and generally shitty sentiment that they detect in their voters in order to build a Trump-style base of irredeemable cuntbaskets.

... because that’s what voters in leave areas respond to?

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... because that’s what voters in leave areas respond to?

Some of them, yes. Read the comments in the twitter links that some people have posted and tell me that's not true. The conservatives effectively out-Brexitted the Brexit party, so it's entirely possible that they will continue to try to appeal to those who voted for Brexit for entirely shitty reasons (for example, see the twitter comments lamenting the fact that we haven't withdrawn all international development funding).

That said I suspect the government will try to please both camps by also pleasing those who have entirely reasonable grievances about the state of their communities and may have voted for Brexit simply out of desire for things to somehow change. If that pulls them back towards the centre, then that would be lovely, but I'm not overly optimistic.

I still doubt the people that want to see windrushv2 are a majority. Most of this is ignorance (not following news, not reading manifesto) rather than malice.

It would however be pleasant if there will be some ownership, the only "I want my Brexit" crowd that cares about immigrant rights are the socialist ones, and they are not a major group nor Conservative voters.

In the end, the government does not have to be so shitty to "get Brexit done", nor do they need to do this to please people that wanted more investment (which hopefully will be done so something good can come out of this, at least...though there are already backpedalling sounds on some of it...) but here we are now, and I am going to submit my UK citizenship papers. Because that is how little I trust this lot*

*I am hopefully much too pessimistic

Some, yes...

But not (in the large part) past labour voters.

Read the comments in the twitter links that some people have posted and tell me that's not true. The conservatives effectively out-Brexitted the Brexit party, so it's entirely possible that they will continue to try to appeal to those who voted for Brexit for entirely shitty reasons (for example, see the twitter comments lamenting the fact that we haven't withdrawn all international development funding).

‘Vote Lenders’ are the intersection of Leavers/Corbyn-Haterz and historical Labour voters. I don’t think these are the vocal minority you describe. So why would pandering to Lenders lead to right-wing reactionary stuff? What am I missing?

I did the Settled/unSettled process via the app several weeks ago (3-4) and I'm still none the wiser if I got Settled or not. Am I supposed to receive an email or something to say if I'm a #legal-alien or what?
I would really like to be able to chase someone for an update or some info but that doesn't seem possible... bouhhh

My gf used the app a few months back and got an email within 2 days but others took nearly 2 months to hear anything.

https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1217518556616822785?s=19

^
That tweet above is pretty much Brexit : Gaslighting the whole of the UK*

*yeah yeah Lexit and Flexit campaigns and so on, but the more honest Brexit groups were and are really a minority. It is the Bluekippers that end up calling the shots.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/15/eu-citizens-in-uk-risk-discrimination-in-jobs-and-housing?fbclid=IwAR1EY1EWmgatWQcrIqG0lQh9rtvY1fpjW8DPU_UNHVsocj-Jovd-DpYBmdg

But also

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/22/independent-authority-to-monitor-eu-citizens-rights-post-brexit?fbclid=IwAR08syU4DgwKHNbZi2Ale3EOmvAdb--Qz0lEFQ_lxQbuNE-y95oXHd21m-U

I am quite skeptical all this will work, usually it is starve/deport first, ask questions later, lose the argument but by then it is already too late. But we shall see.

and this
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/17/eu-nationals-fearful-brexit-windrush
Europeans will have to learn to live with the low level anxiety that we of the Windrush generation face. Even though we have all the right paperwork and permissions there is a chance that a detail will be lost or unavailable leading to being blocked for housing, jobs, healthcare or being held up at the border.
My advice is not to read any Kafka. It is not good for your mental health.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/18/savid-javid-warns-there-will-be-no-alignment-on-eu-regulations-after-brexit project fear goes project reality again... 3 years to prepare, lol for what??? The current UK customs system isn't even ready.