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MCamb in reply to @Oliver Schick

Got as far as here

The full picture is rather more complex than it first seems. Scientists have found that a combined group of vegetarians and vegans appeared to have a higher risk of haemorrhagic stroke than did meat-eaters. But owing to the small number of vegans in the study, it is hard to draw firm conclusions. “Possible reasons might be related to lower cholesterol levels or a deficiency of some nutrients, such as vitamin B12,” says Tammy Tong, a researcher in the University of Oxford’s Nuffield Department of Population Health.

Vegans grouped together with vegetarians kinda defeats the purpose of investigating whether the plant based diet has a positive impact or not IMO. especially as it sounds like they only had a couple of vegans participate.

“Vegans are also at a higher risk of B12-deficiency, since the nutrient is only naturally available from animal foods. Low B12 levels may be linked to raised blood levels of homocysteine, which may be linked to higher risk of stroke.”

Thought it was generally understood that b12 is actually found in soil. And that most animals raised on processed feed are given it as a supplement, because they are also at risk of being deficient... or something 🤷‍♂️

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Oliver Schick in reply to @MCamb

Yes, what with vegetarians usually taking loads of dairy and definitely not being very comparable.

I get the impression from what I've read over the years that the main natural 'source' of B12 are insects, but that may be nonsense. It may explain it being in the soil, though, and vegetarian great apes are said to ingest it because they don't clean their food of insects.

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aniki in reply to @Oliver Schick

There are some edible insects that are a great source of b12 but most people aren’t going to want to eat them.
The few animals that are lucky enough to graze in fields get b12 from the soil which is then absorbed by their flesh and subsequently absorbed by people that like eating animals.
The majority of animals however, raised in sheds, are only eating processed feed so they (as in the vast majority) have to get a b12 supplement to assist with their ‘healthy’ growth.
We get none from the soil either as we wash all our veg etc
We’re all being supplemented; vegans are just not getting it via a third party.
Personally I drink a couple of cups of soya or almond milk a day (or have with cereal) as well as taking spirulina and still take a b12 supplement just in case for whatever reason my routine foods are unavailable. It’s water soluble so you can’t OD on it.
If anyone’s in any doubt, Cronometer is a useful tool for checking your balance of micronutrients during your transition stage.
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not4sale in reply to @Oliver Schick

No soil on my Oca :)

Oca is also an excellent source of zinc (100 grams of oca covers 12% of the daily value for zinc) and vitamin B2 (55% of the daily value)

Source: https://www.healwithfood.org/nutrition-facts/oca-oxalis-tuberosa.php#ixzz69r1L1tUw

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