General Election 2019

Talk of Clive Lewis chucking his hat in for the leadership. I think I could get behind him.

Leopard face-biting party finds it hard to avoid biting faces.

'We' in this context is us, predominantly progressive lot, on here.

Realistically, since forever.

It shouldn't happen but it does. If Thornberry became the leader do you think the papers like the Mail or the Sun wouldn't use that to attack her? Johnson has "inadvertently" made reference to it in the past.

If you're trying to win back the disillusioned, northern, working-class vote then having "Lady Nugee" the MP for Islington in charge, however irrelevant it is in reality, is going to make it harder.

I'd say the same thing applies to Keir Starmer at the moment as well.

Another example... Sarah Vine is always Michael Gove's wife in the media.

Like Viscount Stansgate?

^^ To be fair she's pretty much always his wife in her own column.

Not that I read it every week.

To be fair "Michael Gove's wife" is also one of the kindest possible ways to describe her

Anyway, Blair can fuck off, we wouldn’t be where we are today if he hadn’t of caused the damage he did.

No indeed you're quite right, we would have had a Tory government constantly since 1979 if it wasn't for that pesky Blair.

Centrist dad?

Joking btw, my politics are very much on the left but have become open to ideas about how we can win the next election. I’m coming around to the idea that someone posted earlier in the thread that we need someone with more of a centre/left image but with policies from the “left”.

Given his argument is that people voted for the Tories because Labour wasn’t radical enough I fear that could be a very wrong idea.

I find it enlightening that many people who are happy to support men of the people such as Johnson and Rees Mogg, seek to belittle Emily Thornberry for being a supposed aristocrat.

Her husband is a High Court judge. His knighthood comes with the job. It is mean to add to the status of the judiciary. No High Court judge refuses the honour. It is part of the position.

Calling Emily Thornberry, Lady Nugee is crass sexism. She is a woman on her own right as a barrister and as a politician.

She is far from aloof or elitist. She is wonderfully down to earth. She has a great sense of humour and really cares. Her constituency is one of the most deprived in the country. Behind the Georgian townhouses of Barnsbury and Canonbury are huge estates in which the majority of Islington’s people live. She is known as an exceptional local MP and the warmth that people feel for her is evident when door knocking.

She is quick witted and articulate. She would be great to see against Johnson at PMQs.

That may be, but I think she’s toxic. Titled, privileged, Islington and those England flag comments.

You wait until the British press have had her for five years; you’ll be convinced that she is a disciple of Mao who wants to personally destroy society whilst stealing EU money for herself. Also something something FLAGS!

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Her husband is a High Court judge.

You mean an "enemy of the people."

Calling Emily Thornberry, Lady Nugee is crass sexism.

The media is not above crass sexism, sadly.

A cause for optimism is that she obviously knows she will get all of this shit thrown at her again, but thinks she can weather it out. I hope she's right.

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That may be, but I think she’s toxic. Titled, privileged, Islington and those England flag comments.

Mail or Express?

So what sort of archetype should lead the party?

If you think that Jess Phillips who is being pushed for the leadership by The Times and other right wing papers, will not be vilified by the press in the thankfully unlikely event that she is elected, you will be unpleasantly surprised.

I suspect that his answer will be “a Tory”! Perhaps he would like that Stewart chap who was thrown out of the Conservatives. Ever so popular and with the common touch.

Man of the people. Eton then Balliol

Hadn’t crossed my mind that Thornbury would be considered privileged given her upbringing. Didn’t her family have quite a lot of money problems?

I didn't know that about judges. Good info.

Who should lead?
Who can unite labour around what the party members might want (bit of left, radical left, not much different to the centre, let's be euro?) And what the cast majority of the voting population want (Brexit done and out of the news, boring stuff they hadn't even thought affected them (workers rights, more equal society, jobs, a future)?

Jess Phillips is good for Twitter and being local MP fighting.

I've no opinion other than Richard burgon needs to stay the fuck away from any position that puts him in the spotlight. The man is thick as mince.