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  • I think I'm prepared to admit that 'my side' of Labour (i.e. Centrist Dads FC) have partial responsibility for the result last week; I'd say our push for a PV cost some votes (though I'd say it won more than it lost) and also Tom Watson etc undermining JC probably cost some votes too. But you have to put that in context.

    We're talking minimal votes here. Every single poll, every single interview, every single bit of data out there says that the main problem for the electorate with voting for Labour was Corbyn himself. Brexit comes a distant third, and this was meant to be the brexit election, so I don't think we can ascribe too much causal responsibility to centrist labour.

  • Yeah I don't think it was the main factor at all, just really annoying! Especially when he got picked by the members twice - you'd have thought it would stop then. It just seemed so easy for newspapers (even the bloody guardian) to have a different mp each day slinging some mud internally, while at the same time saying JC wasn't doing enough to unite people.

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