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  • I agree with that but the harm that would be occasioned by adopting 4 should not be taken lightly - by doing the same, they'd lose the moral high ground.

    It must be possible without the lies.

  • Maybe moral high ground is too soft.

    If they do that shit, they're no better than the others and don't deserve to win. The opposite view - it's worth playing dirty to win - is pure tribalist bullshit

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