General Election 2019

Bury already has a mayor and I guess the tram service has improved public transport a fair bit. I've no idea whether the Mayor actually has any input though.

Plus you've got the bag of wank that is Northern Rail that they don't have any influence over.

It would make a good headline though and that's the important thing.

Surely you should still be voting against the government on things you disagree with?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/12/harman-labour-not-vote-against-welfare-bill-limit-child-tax-credits

bury itself isn't actually on the UK's main rail network, but you can catch a steam train to ramsbottom.

i bet people on here think i'm joking

Fuck me, if the worst case scenario is that things get 1% better than they are now, why so much doom and gloom on this thread? Are those figures aggregate or per capita?

What?! No piccadilly line?!

London has capped travel rate.

Cost me more to travel 2 miles via bus to station than an all day ticket across 7 zones of London.
Public transport outside is not cheap, unreliable, and a lot of places a very limited service.

Full report here. https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/GB2019-Chapter-3-UK-economic-outlook-in-four-Brexit-scenarios.pdf

4%+ of lost growth on a multi trillion GBP economy is quite a lot of money.

A table of the points I was making the other day. Ignore the wrong column heading for 2019 (sas 2017).

If votes followed party position, also suggests that Remain would have won a second referendum.

Partner was shocked by public transport in London. If she misses bus from her village, (between two fairly large towns), the next one isn't until Halley's Comet has completed a circuit. By which time the price has gone up so she might as well walk.

@Kurai yep, always avoided public transport because it's a limiting service, in rural areas you have a car/motorbike or work from home. Public Transport in London zones is like something from a sci-fi movie set in the future.......

A large number divided by a large number in this case produces a small number. I’m just trying to put a brave face on the situation - I think those talking as if any kind of Brexit will put the UK in some kind of 28 days later apocalypse may be taking it a little far.

The FT ran an article in October talking about an 8 to 10% loss of GDP over a ten year period. If that happened, homes would be lost and people would be negatively impacted.

For reference, I think the global financial crisis set the UK back by about 4.5% overall.

I won't be stockpiling bog roll though.

I won't be stockpiling bog roll though.

This time next year though...

1-2% reduction pa pales in comparison to what we need to achieve to avert the climate crisis.

Well you can, but anyone with any sense would stay on the train till Rawtenstall for a night out at the Bees Knees.

Luckily, Brexit & the Tories will make doing anything about the climate crisis a very distant possibility...

The easiest and quickest win will be a tax giveaway in April

Coupled with a rise in VAT

Of course any contraction of the economy won't be felt equitably. As always, it will be the people at the bottom of the pile who get the biggest kicking. The potential for harm is not that the economic problems will directly make things unbearably awful, but that the Tory government will be able to blame the promises that it has to break on groups (forrins, immigrants, remainers, socialists, liberal metropolitan elite etc.) in a way that might produce a horribly social toxic mix. They have shown themselves both willing and able to very effectively manipulate the opinion of those that they are most likely to harm and I don't see any reason why they might stop.

Worth investing in a bidet?

Can't do that. We're leaving the EU.

Also, it is all nice and well but more borrowing with a lower income, once the shit hits the fan they are going to blame the next government again and then somehow it will be Labour's fault again.

And what FFM said, about who will get the blame.

I am not too pleased with the half baked UK border in NI plan, the local economy is already vulnerable and then this is taking our access to services/medicine away.

Result, fewer jobs coming in, access to the EU lost, even more jobs going to ROI and then there will be problems around agriculture and other goods for small businesses.

So this 1% doesn't look like a big deal, but if your area is already on the backfoot, you really don't need it.

As always, it will be the people at the bottom of the pile who get the biggest kicking

That’s not automatic. The incomes of those at the bottom of the pile are driven more strongly by government welfare policy than by economic conditions. The Tories can shit on them whether there is growth or not.

EDiT: looks like you made the same point later in your comment. Yes agree this could be a nasty pretext for nasty policies... given how thin the Tory manifesto is we just don’t know how nasty.

This by Paul Mason seems quite on-the-nose
https://www.paulmason.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/After-Corbynism-v1.2.pdf

Apols if posted before, didn’t see it on a quick scan through

We need someone or something to really unify the electorate.

The break up of the UK.