General Election 2019

However a 2 minute doorstep conversation isn’t going to materially shift the view of someone that sits in front of Facebook for 4 hours a day every day.

Citation needed.

It can do things Facebook can’t.

I'm planning on improving my German for similar reasons.

However, I suspect that a Johnson Conservative government, even with Brexit, won't personally be to my detriment, other than the general soul-tarnishing of living in a Tory Brexity Gammony country. I suspect the people who will suffer are the poor fools who voted for him because they 'wanted a change', particularly those up north. Be careful what you wish for.

Long-Bailey

Rly? Too far left?

I don’t know much about her but she handled campaign debates really well and (superficially) she might appeal to northern voters.

Wales residents that don't identify with England or are English aren't keen on Brexit.

With all this talk of austerity and neolib economic issues, class cap doffing to English nationalism is definitely a contribution from where I stand over the water.

And the immigrants / bame Brits who are stuck with their anger.

Maybe too far left, maybe not, but definitely too associated with the very left of the party.

Most working class Welsh people I know (am in Swansea) generally don't like the English and are heavily in favour of Brexit. IIRC all Welsh constituencies, apart from Cardiff, voted for Brexit.

Wales residents that don't identify with England or are English aren't keen on Brexit.

What's this reply in response to?

Wouldn't you agree the membership are currently to the left of electorate, therefore the next leader has to come from the left and (hopefully) move towards the centre? The tough bit is maintaining credibility and appeal to young voters whilst winning the trust of older swing-voters from working class marginals?

I'm from south Wales and don't detect much hostility to England, or the English. In the Swansea area more dislike of Cardiff, BBC Cardiff, and the Cardiff government who spend all the money in Cardiff and the south east. And the nationalism of Plaid has never taken off.

Though I want the English football team to lose every match they play.

the next leader has to come from the left and move towards the centre

That would seem like the sensible way forward.

I don't, and never have had, the same experience. In fact, when I was growing up in the Valleys after moving back from South Africa, a favoured insult from people who didn't like my accent was to be called English.

"You're really English, aren't you?" with a sneer.

soutie.

lol

you wish, cunt face.

#hunglikeacashew

Glad I don’t work on sundays. Hopefully you’ll be banned and have time to sit on that.

The class comments. I think national identity cannot be left out of it (unfortunately)

Liverpool is poor and rejected brexit wholesale. It is also a city with many people that identify with Ireland.

Irish nationalism tries to be exclusive and include unionists (yes there are triumphant arseholes and Shinnerbots (SF dogma parrots) too ) English nationalism is really only for the English.

It doesn't include the Welsh or Scottish or NI or immigrant people with similar -income- equality and housing class issues.

Broad stroke, I know.

Someone ought to grab a screenshot, I'm sure the people he works with would be interested to find out about the sort of things he likes to post in his free time.

I absolutely can’t understand this- Wales is going to suffer the most from Brexit, why are the Welsh whom you know so keen?

But that’s only true if they both lie, which is my point- if Labour don’t lie but Johnson continues too then Labour would have to present an austerity budget whilst Johnson spends money like water.

Simple answers are (as they see it): stem immigration, take back control of the country from the EU.

Some of it is based on outright racism (for the first answer), some based on Project Fear propaganda.

All of the people I ride with normally are remainers and vote Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens. A couple of Conservatives. But then they are generally university educated or at least went to some other form of higher education (I'm the exception, not university educated). They work for the universities locally, or the NHS, or in research institutions or are engineers in different forms of industry.
But riding brings me into contact with other people, there it plain to see that so many of the non-university educated blue collar class see things in the "Get Brexit Done!" manner. It's not a hard and fast rule, there's a lot of exceptions, but it does seem to be a rule.
The commercial fishermen on the docks are all Brexit Party, of course.
In one shared house I lived in the other five people voted for Brexit. They thought I was a complete idiot to vote remain. They didn't like it.

By and large they perceive the EU and immigrants as the source of all their and the country's problems.

EDIT: it's the urban metropolitan university educated vs. the regional working class/working poor/old people. And there's more of the latter.

I have no idea why Labour isn’t more active in the communities it’s supposed to represent. Is there some law that stops them holding bake sales or having meetings or running food banks?

This would be like what many religions do...provide charitable support for people in need, then before you know it some dude has his hand on your head saying a prayer for you and discussing god and existence etc...

What do you think their reaction is going to be to the loss of Airbus, steel manufacturing, hill farming, and fishing, plus the abrupt loss of inward investment- blame the EU?

Immigration has largely benefitted those that live and work in cities.

I have no idea.