General Election 2019

The tories are most certainly beatable, johnson is unpopular.

I know I'm stating the obvious (as usual) but when the winner has done so by being the least unpopular we really are in a deep deep hole.

I don't mean to be arsey about it. I just don't know what he's bought to the fore that won't just disappear.

Without execution I don't see the benefit in what he's done; the 'national conversation' has gone further right during his tenure.

He made policies which are important the policies of one of the two major parties. The Green New Deal in particular, but also social housing, education, inequality, etc.. Things that are very important were made key platform goals. Dropping those in the hope of a win for the sake of a win is a terrifying outcome of this, in my opinion.

The only hope I see is a long way off.

Hopefully Brexit slowly drops down the agenda over the coming years (at least the question of leave/ remain from a strict legal pov, which it appears will now be decided in the next month or so) other issues will come to the fore and will frame the debate.

Labour were scrambled by Brexit and the Tories had a simple message - that's why they won. Now the question of whether or not Labour is Leave or Remain will disappear as irrelevant, they'll have to accept the situation and we'll need to discuss other issues.

I doubt most Leavers have thought much about customs union, single market, hard/soft Brexit etc. They supported Brexit like they supported a football team - it was all about "winning". Now they have "won", hopefully a sensible political party can begin to gain ground.

The point I'm making is one person's issues are ignored and the others focussed on.

If what you're saying is the majority of public don't care about the stuff Boris has said and done then I'm definitely leaving the country.

I say this as a brown person, as a son of Muslim immigrants and as a human being.

But he never put himself in a position where he could influence any of those things. I'll happily agree that influencing and leading policy is the party leaders role, but so to is working towards their execution.

I don't think it's personally his fault - those are the critical concerns of the Labour party. In choosing someone that the voters they need would simply never vote for they allowed it to happen that they would never be able to influence those policies.

But he never put himself in a position where he could influence any of those things.

I don't think it's personally his fault - those are the critical concerns of the Labour party. In choosing someone that the voters they need would simply never vote for they allowed it to happen that they would never be able to influence those policies.

I honestly have no clue what you're on about.

My point was don't abandon the left in the hopes of an electoral win for the sake of an electoral win. And you're writing riddles.

Am I writing rubbish? - I don't mean to :)

My point was don't abandon the left for the hopes of an electoral win for the sake of an electoral win.

I guess mine then is don't abandon the hopes of an electoral win for the sake of not compromising on leftist policy.

After so many electoral disappointments over the last decades here (and is aus), im a strong advocate of win at all cost nihilism.

From what I've seen on my social media from Tory voters of a broad spectrum, working class, children of millionaires, and "self made" millionaires, their view that the market's response to a Tory win is justification that they were right and Labour are wrong.

From questioning that, they believe that strength in the market will boost our economy and thus make the country better.

Their world view is that a stronger market provides a better economy which creates more jobs.

Capitalism has won I guess, trickle down is the only solution that the majority in this country will believe.

So if you're pragmatic then Tory lite is the only answer.

It disgusts me to say that

but ultimately probably slightly less disgusting than the feeling at 10pm last night

Am I writing rubbish - I don't mean to :)

I think two conversations merged. I was responding to you about one thing which carried over to responses of mine to someone else about something else. (Now I'm writing in riddles).

But yeah, compromise is a virtue. I agree.

People don't want content any longer, they want three word repeatable mantras, and they want it delivered by someone in a smart suit. Looking like a social worker or a Geography teacher just ain't gonna cut it anymore.

It's no accident that Blair in 1997 looked like he'd sell any dodgy old shit to an OAP on the doorstep just for the big wedge of commission. That and The Scum coming out in full support. Lets face it, without the Barclay Brothers and/or Murdoch you're fucked before you even start....

But also racist Northerners. I hope they get the hardest of hard Brexits, bunch of thick cunts

But also racist Northerners. I hope they get the hardest of hard Brexits, bunch of thick cunts

I actualol'd.

The point I'm making is one person's issues are ignored and the others focussed on.

And I agree. It seems to be the case that this is what has happened, and has been for some time - Johnson and the Tories have been given a free ride.

But Labour have done fuck all to challenge that, or to exploit the Tory shit show of the past few years.

It's all a bit bollocks.

Glad Zac

The all-new post-Brexit anti-depressant. Coming soon from USPharmaCorp for only $5,600 per tablet.

It looks like they're closing the fucking factory that I have worked in man and boy for nigh on thirty years, 'cos its no longer profitable to try and export goods to the EU on WTO terms or something....

Fucking foreign bastards......

After so many electoral disappointments over the last decades here (and is aus), im a strong advocate of win at all cost nihilism.

I'm with you on disappointments. I've been here since the end of Blair and only seen losses. In Canada I've been witness to the Ford Brothers (one of which is currently king of Ontario), a decade of neo-conservative governments, and more than a decade of neo-liberalism before that.

They've now got business-as-usual-Trudeau-centrism which the world was gushing over for a minute. I'd say his pretty-boy-photo-op-persona is the epitome of nihlistic wins. It doesn't feel any better.

It's the internal battle I've had since Jeremy was elected as the leader.

Do you play the game or choose to lose with a clean conscience?

The ironic thing is that those who argue that they've had enough of lying politicians and just want action, voted for the biggest players possibly in the history of democracy.

Let's see what happens when Brexit becomes more imminent.

Do you play the game or choose to lose with a clean conscience?

The way I see it is that you can't affect change if you aren't in the game, even if joining in makes you complicit and dirty.

I've still not acted on my desire to move from the referendum result.
I still want to move but I'm f noucked if I know where or how.
In response to :what happens when Brexit is imminent.

I still want to move but I'm fucked if I know where or how.

Come to Scotland