General Election 2019

The first half of my prediction has come true, now just for the second part
https://www.lfgss.com/comments/14986016/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50767154 ?

LOL, really? Never change Scotland.

BBC reports it as impersonification.

But one of the big reasons he has struggled is the constant stream of Labour MPs and former MPs telling everyone he was shit.

Yep. If Labour MPs hadn't spoken their minds then the press definitely would've said only nice things about Corbyn rather than relentlessly attacking him.

Let's hope you're wrong on the second part.

The IRA is over and SF now has a clear message that Engerland doesn't care about ROI and NI. Didn't even have to lift a finger.

So, I don't think an attack in London is likely. There's nothing to gain.

Am I right in suspecting they’d be let down and swing the other way if Boris doesn’t deliver decently?

The sad thing is, I don't think so. You'd have thought that having voted tory all their lives they'd have looked at the last 4 years in politics and that sense of morals would have got them questioning this. But sadly not. The truth is, it all comes from my dad. He's well and truly swallowed the relentless pro tory anti everything (and everyone) else barrage in the media. In his mind all our problems are due to immigrants and he can't seem to see beyond that. I thought he might have mellowed in older age, but he's got more and more venomously intolerant.

My mum on the other hand is the kindest, nicest, most emotionally generous woman you could meet, but has little interest in the detail of politics. And being in such close proximity to my incensed dad most of her waking life means his views have permiated in. I thought I was getting somewhere with her in convincing her of a different view, but something she said recently made me realise she's still going to vote tory. I realised that my once a week (at best) chats with her stand no chance against 24/7 hate crimes from dad.

They're hard working people, absolutely working class and my dad is still working at 69 despite needing a quadruple heart by pass, which the NHS will obliged him with.

Just about the only silver lining in any of this is that they're in a constituency where lib dems increased their majority from a declining tory share, so he's represented by a remainer in Parliament. Sorta the yin to the yang of me being represented by a Tory. Not that whether you're a remainer or leaver will have much baring on anything now.

This. Most of the UK is awful. Everything is fucked up. We're going to leave the EU - the negotiations will be grim, NI thrown under a bus and all the downside will be blamed on the EU. This government will push through a whole lot of legislation that massively increase their powers and reduces scrutiny. And they know that lying and doubling down on it is absolutely fine because people in general just don't give a shit.
I can't see anything positive this morning.

That's the obvious port of call and I'm sure it'll work well at first, but I can see it becoming less and less of an excuse once we've left and are meant to be forging our way boldly as an independent country.
Can imagine the UK govt will be the immediate source of anger pretty soon once factories start closing, standard of living for the poorest noticeably decreases further, etc.

Agreed. Brexit / Tories is the best chance for a united Ireland there has ever been. More chance of the UV[?] restarting.

Is the silver lining here that the results of Brexit will fuck people off so much they won't vote Con next time?

They just got a huge majority by managing to blame someone else for their last 9 years - sure they'll spin it again.

Can imagine the UK govt will be the immediate source of anger pretty soon once factories start closing

Yes. There's only so far you can get to 1000's of newly unempolyed workers in saying that it's someone elses fault. You're going to have to come up with something to soften the blow pretty rapidly.

SO much resonance here.

Maybe all the Nissan workers could re-train as nurses?

I've not seen age breakdown, but I'm guessing it'll be huge concentration of young left leaning votes in cities as people have left places to get jobs?
Right?

Or consultants? Let's not limit their ambition. And we're going to need plenty more of them too.

What is actually going to happen is that they will officially have some kind of hard-ish Brexit giving them the plus of 'having delivered Brexit'. Then they will protract the actual negotiations (which, remember, are yet to come) as far as possible, ending up with something that is actually more of a soft-ish Brexit. This will minimise the actual impact along the way, minimising any possible backlash. And any downsides will be completely blamed on the EU, or, if necessary, NI or ROI. Whenever any domestic issues boil up, the EU being contrary in the negotiations process will be highlighted to create an external enemy for the masses to hate. Whenever nothing much happens in the brexit negotiations, or it generally just isn't going well, they'll be quiet about it, which is exactly what a lot of the voters want.

Well, that's my pessimistic view on it. Allows them to capitalise on all the things they're "doing well", and hide from all of the things that they're fucking up. And then they're going to win the next election too because Labour will have spent the next few years in a protracted process of eating itself up.

Can't argue with that.

once we've left and are meant to be foraging our way boldly as an independent country

Ftfy.

Can't argue with that.

I can - fish. To get anything we need to agree to EU vessels in UK waters, and whilst fishing contributes less to the UK economy than Harrods it's got a talismanic role in UK politics.

Maybe Johnsons majority is now large enough to simply say "fuck the fishermen", but it's going to be an issue.

Johnson may do what he did to get the WAB, and capitulate totally whilst selling it as a win, but that's counting on the fridge-hider in him winning the battle when he looks in the mirror.

This reasoning is even more fucked than the Brexit / Corbyn reasoning.

Depends. I think the idea of blaming Labour for the global financial crash - which many Tories still do - is cynical and absurd.

But I also recognise that there were quite a few things on the Labour manifesto which were straight up ridiculous. I say this as someone who's voted Labour in every election I've been able to, I'm a Labour member, and I fight for my MP to anyone who'll listen. But I also have eyes. That free broadband policy was economically illiterate, and it wasn't alone. That manifesto was a wishlist - it hsould've been shorter and it should've been focussed on things people actually wanted, not just on headlines. And it should only have been pushed once a relationship of trust was established with the electorate. It wasn't and the whole thing felt like a slimy salesman telling you you could have everything you wanted for free.

Watch them never bring up fishing again for five years. And if someone else really forces the issue (probably Farage), they'll use it as an example for how unfair the EU is. This has worked really well so far, why change course now.

So...next Labour leader. All members vote, but who chooses the candidates - is that Momentum driven? I imagine they will go for a woman and someone from not-London.

Ha if it lasts until Sunday it's been a proper do