General Election 2019

That is truly fucking scary

Yes although I have had this thought after previous elections and look where we are now! Seems like reputation is less important than it used to be.

Fucked before, fucked after, whats changed

Amazing how little the Tory vote share has increased yet they get so many more seats. The system, as well as many other things, is fucked.

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Only that we have five years of being fucked over even more than ever before.

What a time to be alive.

To add to the debate on what went wrong for Labour
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/13/five-reasons-why-labour-lost-the-election

Exactly. The fact that their vote share has more or less stayed the same but they've now got unchallenged power to do as they please is just wrong. Given how many people will have voted tory for the first (and probably last) time just to "get brexit done" is interesting as it shows an almost equal number of previously tory voters abandoning them presumably due to the lies and deceit and a desire not to brexit. I think even if the tories don't get caught out as liars and the brexit promise exploding dramatically in their face (our faces), then they'll struggle to win the defectors back and struggle to retain the new tory voters.

In short I believe they haven't "won" the election, ineffective and indecisive opposition has gift wrapped it for them. But I also think that they'll really struggle at the next election, which sadly is now a long way off.

One of CallmeDave's proposals that the LibDems stymied was to reduce the HoC to 600 MPs. The Boundary Commission, I believe, did most of the work to realign constituencies. It disproportionately reduced (traditional) Labour seats and Scotland.
Expect to see this proposal ressurrected.

Centrist policies are still policies, and more likely to win in places like Basildon, which will give a general election victory.

Basildon was 67% Leave. A Labour gov meant a 2nd referendum.

I hate to say it - but I think they (the Tories) have actually ‘won’ this rather than have it gifted. Whilst I don’t disagree that opposition was stubborn, over complicated and arrogant in its nuance I think the real winners in this are right wing strategists who are streets ahead in understanding the landscape. This victory belongs to some of the worst in society, the Cummingses of this world and the clandestine media manipulators. Integrity needs to find a much much more solid footing if it is to win this tug of war at any point between now and inevitable societal break down!

So, whatever you think of the policies and the ethics of the election strategy etc, it is clear that Cummings still understands how to win a vote in the UK better than anyone else. It's completely ruthless, full of lies, illegal and erodes democratic institutions. But he knew he could get away with it, and he has. He was also helped by a dire opposition, of course.

That is mental.

Is there a single centrist who’s done well?

SNP. Arguably.

Not sure why they’d bother after the drubbing just given to Labour. Much more likely that they’d overturn the fixed term policy and so we can have a six or seven year parliament.

Yeah, pre-election polls suggested that in the popular vote Lab - Tory swing was mostly compensated by remain and anti-Johnson Tories voting elsewhere.

Much more likely that they’d overturn the fixed term policy and so we can have a six or seven year parliament.

NB - when a brown person does this, it’s a dangerous threat to democracy. I’m sure it wouldn’t be cast as such for the Tories.

I look forward to Wes fucking Streeting urging the labour party to unite behind a new leader

Agree with you both @Wrongcog and @chris0

I think Cummings not only used social media far better than anyone else to drip feed his poison into society but also used it to gain an understanding of the motivations and drivers trending in society. As I've said earlier he outplayed everyone else. And I think this is where my deepseated feeling of injustice comes from. I have been brought up to be fair and not lie and I'm left confused and deflated by a system of governance that has been corrupted with lies and unfairness.

Ironically the 2 people who brought me up with these values voted to leave and tory.

Snippets of a conversation I overheard on a train, it seems that there are a few people who would normally have voted tory, but wouldn't due to their children's future. But they couldn't vote labour because of the antisemitism or because of jc/da.

(They kept DA out of the way the entire run up, and the day of election she wears two different colour left shoes.)

The shoes thing was photoshopped.

Don't forget their recent campaign of lies is on a base of years and years of traditional media printing more lies about Corbyn. I've said it before but I blame our state of print newspapers for our political mess

But that was the reason they gave, it would have been the work of two minutes to counter that with the real photo.

(They kept DA out of the way the entire run up, and the day of election she wears two different colour left shoes.

Do you believe all Guido Fawkes photoshops?

He released three in the last ten days. Every one was fake. And yet people still believe them.

Ironically, campaigning predominantly on a single issue of leave or remain...

I bet Mamnick guy is reading this thread with a massive boner