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I disagreed that they were a troll

I don't think he started out as one. I know people like him - they've spend all their time huffing on the conspiracy or alt-right crack pipes, have no idea what an actual intellectual debate looks like and have no grounding in factual information or reasonable discussion. He's probably ended up as one - he was enjoying the reactions so much.

Bit spammy...

https://www.lfgss.com/profiles/150655/

(despite what may or may not be a legitimate exercise)

The Mamnick Twitter like which Dammit posted convinced me it was him

Agreed.

Next time you see homophobia please report here first then ignore.

Yeah, agreed. Sorry, should have more courage in my conviction.

The offending comment for me was, “go rim Corbyn” or words to that effect. it was very much delivered and intended as a put down and felt like homophobia from my perspective.

It sounds like others up thread wouldn’t agree and I’m not really interested in getting into a discussion about the ins and outs, I don’t consider myself to be an expert arbitrator at all, so didn’t stick my head above the parapet.

Interestingly even when you put somebody on ignore you still get notifications of them @ing you, which seams unfortunate!

“go rim Corbyn”

That's the homophobia comment?

Seriously?

Because Corbyn is male? Because only gay people rim?

What if it had said fellate? Or Swinson?

I am totally at a loss with this one.

I also don't remember anything more racist than "immigrants are bad mmmmmkay?"

As I said I’m not really interested in defending my position on the topic, so I just just put them them on ignore at the time.

But, it was delivered to a member of the forum who I considered to be male (I know check my check my privilege etc) and felt from my perspective given the very combative back and forth between the two as put down ascribing it as a negative in a your gay kind of way.

I total recognise there’s a lot of reading between the lines in all this, hence not really wanting to put my head above the parapet and just putting them on ignore.

Yeah fair enough. I seem to be being a bit blind to this one.

I'll let it go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU

Sorry, it’s that time of year.

Top of my lungs.

@mashton did you see his 'send them back' post?

Yes I did. But that seems to be anti immigration not racist.

I strongly believe that both are bad and highly correlated. But they are not the same thing.

I think most bame people would say they have repeatedly experienced racism expressed in those terms and find it extremely offensive.

PS - I know you are coming from a good place on this and agree it is time to let it go.

did you see his 'send them back' post?

I did, but when I saw it there was a "(that's a joke, obvs.)" rubric.

"Go rim Corbyn" is crude, but it's technically just the modern and coarser version of the ancient and well worn insult "you're an arselicker".

Essentially, in order to read enough racism and homophobia into those two posts in the context of a stream of otherwise pretty thoughtful and temperate discussion (by Brexit standards), you'd have to be looking hard for an excuse to ban somebody, and it's hard not to conclude that you wouldn't be looking that hard unless you had a pre-existing bias against the author based on a disagreement about politics.

was it an alias of Mamick though? If it was, he's been banned for the same previously and shouldn't be back on the forum full stop.

"send them back"
But that seems to be anti immigration not racist.

@mashton
Nah, it's definitely racist because it's a phrase predominantly used against immigrants of a different race/ethnic background.

I think that's a stretch. He/she didn't say that.
Many of our immigrants are from east Europe for example. Many people wish to stop them entering the country because of jobs, wages, NHS, benefits etc. They're white mostly so is it racist to be anti immigration then?

(just playing devil's advocate, I am pro immigration)

Ok, but 'send them back' is never used against white immigrants from wealthy countries. Speaking as a white immigrant here.

Indeed. Without specifying who 'them' is it's ambiguous. However, it clearly has racist overtones given how the phrase has often been used in the past.

PS the Home Office is racist.

In 'Murica, it means 'send them back to Africa'.

Oh like Australians?

Even the notion of stopping immigration is wrong on so many levels.

Jobs - If you're qualified or hardworking, why should one's origin matter?

Wages - In this day and age, everyone wants cheap and convenience, of which one way is suppressing wages. Prime example which is McDonald's, one of the main culprit of zero hour contract. Still in business though, so the consumer is to be blame for wages suppression as their demand sustain such employers.

NHS - Most NHS staffers are not local. I've met many and they are propping up the system not feeding off it. Blame the Tories not immigrants.

Benefits - Long list as to who and when they're allowed to claim here: https://fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/

Which brings into the question of entitlement, does being 'local' qualify one being 'better' than immigrants?

Oh yeah, British expatriates and everyone else are immigrants eh?

What's and who local when most family can trace their origin back to someone who was a immigrant? At what point is someone not an immigrant?

Also this meme.

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