Musk is a cunt and Tesla are shit

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2010/02/03/the-futuristic-cars-of-total-recall/

I had a quick skim, this seems to outline the current issues with recyclability better than I will manage:
http://www.recyclingwasteworld.co.uk/in-depth-article/leading-the-charge-on-recycling-used-electric-vehicle-batteries/218596/

The Petersen exhibition also had a JonnyCab, and cars from Minority Report, I, Robot, Clockwork Orange, Mad Max, BTTF.

It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking up a ticket.

€100 and refundable.

FYI, the pre-ordering thing is an accounting trick because there's a way they can put the pre-ordered car on the books as a sold unit, so he can claim have "sold" 30,000 or so cars that don't even exist and might not ever if Tesla goes down the tubes.

It's not an accounting trick if all of your investors and debtors know about it.

Apparently 200,000 people have said that they have pre ordered the truck on social media. If there is a gap between that figure and the real figure, we can assume there's some trickery going on.

What about The Fifth Element?

In terms of fighting a fire in a HV lithium ion battery, the answer is water, and lots of it.

You don't have to worry about shorting a 400v battery, because the water will be shorting each 3.7v cell directly, so long as you flood it properly. The water needs to keep flowing for a long time to make sure that every cell drops to ambient temperature, otherwise the hot cell will heat its neighbours again.

some info here - https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/firstresponders including some stuff on firefighting (apologies if its already been posted)

I think they used models, not actual cars, except for interiors. They had a couple of those along with Blade Runner model buildings at Warner.

Aren't most of the battery packs sealed units and water would only short the parts that it comes into contact with, whatever potential difference that's across them. Be that 400v or 3v or something in between.

Even if a pack badly ruptured, getting a meaningful amount of water onto the cells would be hopeless trying to cool it without full Imersion.

They've hit the ground running in court:

Musk’s primary defense, which he reiterated numerous times, was that
he did not intend to call Unsworth a pedophile, but instead was using
“pedo guy” to mean “creepy old guy”.

“Just as I thought it was obvious that he did not mean to physically
sodomize me with a submarine, I thought it was obvious that I didn’t
mean he was a pedophile,” Musk said.

He's a real fuckin melt reading what he said yesterday and back tracked loads.

He's just a real fucking melt. His worshippers see him as some kind of tech superhero, but he's really somewhere between Lex Luthor and Trump.

His worshippers see him as some kind of tech superhero

I'll never understand this. To be fair, a lot of tech blogs etc. are also completely uncritically pushing that narrative, but still. Most of his 'ideas' are either shit, or not actually his ideas, or both. Not to mention that he is constantly seen as the personal embodiment of everything that his companies have built, as if the umpteen actual engineers working overtime were merely his little helpers.

What drives me really crazy though is his Hyperloop and even more his 'Loop' bullshit. I understand why it's popular in the US, it can't get much more American than the 'Loop', but the number of 'journalists' parroting the claimed benefits and numbers without any critical thinking at all is insane.

This is all completely independent of any character issues he might have, those are on top of this.

Most tech ideas are similar bullshit, it's just that Musk seems to be best at getting in the public eye, and has reached Trump-like levels of popularity in the states because of their credulous media that will literally print any bullshit. Plus he's doing SPAAAAAAACE and that helps the Americans feel like they're a cool nation that does stuff, rather than a horrific social and health care mess with an excellent media outreach.

surely as the guy figure heading this and running the show he gets ultimate credit for the success and failures, the same is true of any company...

i also doubt that his "little helpers" are putting the efforts they are putting in out of the goodness of their hearts and are being rewarded for their work otherwise they'd just leave..

is he claiming that he could do what he does without his employees?

I want to hear more about the conman private investigator who ripped Musk off.

surely as the guy figure heading this and running the show he gets ultimate credit for the success and failures, the same is true of any company...

As a company CEO, yes. Not as a fucking tech guru.

i also doubt that his "little helpers" are putting the efforts they are putting in out of the goodness of their hearts and are being rewarded for their work otherwise they'd just leave..

Not the point. But while we're on that topic, they are actually being rewarded relatively badly for their work, especially once you take into account overtime and 'crunch'. If you want to dig up some dirt on how he runs his companies, there's plenty of stuff out there. He absolutely exploits the enthusiasm and energy of new graduates who haven't learned yet how to properly value themselves and their work.

is he claiming that he could do what he does without his employees?

Also not the point. This is about how he's being presented as some kind of space tech Jesus, and he just isn't.

a cool nation that does stuff, rather than a horrific social and health care mess with an excellent media outreach.

vg; lol

Who hurt you?

I'm not sure he gets paid to be either a "space tech jesus" or "fucking tech genius" hes running commercial ventures and leading them, a job title that most call CEO, but given he is a bit cooky he may have adopted one of those titles?!

and as for exploiting grads... are they being chained up or are the voluntarily going to work for a company that is widely known and easily re-searchable...? i suspect its the latter and if they are being mistreated then lots of them will be taking a load of experience from their exploitation and toddling off to one of the more established car companies looking to start producing electric cars...

Friends who work in the UK EV market suggest that knowledge is a huge shortage right now and its experience and not monetary reward that it causing that shortage.

Yes. People working for SpaceX, for example, are doing so voluntarily. It is however incredibly disingenuous to use that as a justification for shit working conditions. The same is true in the game industry - yes, the game developers and programmers are not being chained to their offices, and yet it is still not OK to exploit them.

I'm not sure he gets paid to be either a "space tech jesus" or "fucking tech genius"

Did I say he was being paid to be that? How is this relevant to what I wrote?

Why the snarky remark?

The level that someone you don’t know personally offends you is funny.