• for commuting but would be nice if they could also sustain the odd bikepacking tour

    You're probably better off with hand-builds than factory wheels for those purposes. You could visit the wheelbuilding thread but the TL;DR of that is 32H Kinlin XR31T on whatever hubs your prejudice makes you pick.

  • Okay v helpful thanks. The wheelbuilding thread overwhelms me - hubs, rims, spokes, I haven't a clue. Your recommendation is useful. Im on spa cycles now...

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