General Election 2019

*But many will still paint it as if a Labour Govnerment want to actually be an ISP snooping on all of the data. *

important to point out that this is one of the most liberal labour leaderships/cabinets in years (compare against e.g. blunkett, straw etc) - and corbyn has notably taken very, strongly liberal positions (e.g. on the extrajudicial murder of osama bin laden, abu bakhr-al'baghdadi) quite often against LOTs of very strong opposition pressure (in some cases from other supposed 'liberals'). call me old fashioned but (being strongly in favour of human rights) I think putting criminals on trial for their crimes should be the first resort

So we’ll only have those people to blame if Labour don’t get a majority?

Doesn't 5g need/use the fibre network?

I think 5G will be here before full fibre, even in more remote areas.

The masts have to plug in to something, though.

Easiest way to think about the OpenReach nationalisation is as a policy that’s easy to understand, easily measured, probably not too divisive and reasonably easily delivered, unlike, say 100k council homes or eliminating rough sleeping.

Digital exclusion/tech poverty are worth taking very seriously. I have no idea if broadband is > the answer. But as the internet has become a utility, it makes sense to treat it like other
utilities (or how we would like utilities to be treated).

Other utilities arent free (water, gas, lecy, etc) and whether they should be is at least debatable

Other utilities arent free (water, gas, lecy, etc) and whether they should be is at least debatable

Yes. This is why I wrote "(or how we would like utilities to be treated)."

free gas and electricity for everyone?

I think 5G will be here before full fibre, even in more remote areas.

The masts have to plug in to something, though.

Indeed. 5G range is typically 500 meters, even if you pushed that out to 2km or so you've still got to get that level of connectivity (be it fibre or microwave uplinks) to hundreds of thousands of sites, so extending this to FTTP isn't that much of a stretch.

This'd not discourage excessive consumption. Until 100% renewable is in place it'd be bad for the planet.

free gas and electricity for everyone?

Or maybe gas and electricity (and water) provided by the state and managed in a way that those least well off will not be paying more than those better off, and never in a situation where their health and/or livelihood are risked?

I have no idea what point you're trying to make as I've not said either thing you've now tried to claim I have. In fact, I even said I wasn't sure if the broadband plan is the best as I don't really have the expertise. My point was that access to the internet is something worth thinking about in the same terms we think about utilities.

All cellular traffic goes to cable as quickly as possible, a national infrastructure project to have high speed broadband benefits that too.

not what I’m saying my man- what I’m saying is it would have made a lot more strategic sense (ie if they actually wanted to get the policy enacted that they so passionately desire) for those people to (if-not-support) not constantly undermine the labour party and its the leadership. they could still have continued to agitate for a second referendum and push labour towards it without being wreckers who risk inadvertently causing a hard brexit, due to bad strategy.

unfortunately, this probably all came about because the very well-meaning civilians who support continuity_remain have been led down the garden path by some people who have seen the brexit/remain issue as an opportunity to 1. launder their reputations and 2. kick jeremy corbyn while they’re at it. I’m not thinking jolyon, dunty etc here - I’m thinking cynical opportunists like campbell, blair, the lib dems etc.

Can’t help but feel there are more important issues around. Also it’ll take absolutely ages to do with fibre.

Can’t see how this translates to ‘laughable’

it may make my life harder

Oh, there we go

No, not free unlimited consumption.

Maybe it's a plan for a basic Internet service to every property so that every property could have, say, 8Mbps Broadband via fibre for free. If they wanted more than 8Mbps (or whatever figure it is) they'd have to pay for more. But the point is that everyone will have the same base minimum which they don't have to specifically pay for and everyone will have the same option to choose whether to pay for more (as the capacity is there) if they wanted/needed to stream multiple 8K Netflix streams at once.

Innit - was in jest. Forgot the smiley

Can’t help but feel there are more important issues around

So you want everyone to talk about a single issue?

it annoys me that all they do is talk Brexit.

So you don't want everyone to talk about a single issue?

(If this were true then I'm sure the Tories would be straight on to it too.)

Bless your optimism in thinking that the Tories need something to be true before they use it as an attack angle

No doubt, but surely also puts every business that has invested in building this out already in trouble? To take it to it’s extreme, why not nationalise all telecommunications?

To take it to it’s extreme, why not

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Might then get to the illegal state aid definition, and we’d be eligible for all countries in the WTO to apply tariffs to our goods.

Haha

I for one would welcome our newly nationalised chip-botherers and pigeon worriers

Selfishly I'd be happy for the abolition of tuition fees. I'd go back to doing various courses with the OU if that happened. I can afford ~£400 a year to slowly plod along to a degree - probably languages next time. Those same courses (a quarter of a year) are £2250 now.

Also having lots of family (nieces, newphews, daughter) that could be going to Uni over the next 15 years it may just happen to benefit them.

Nothing in the Labour manifesto about what would happen to the people who paid the silly fees in the last few years, would they be refunded (and/or debts cancelled0 or just left with piles of debt?

Why not.