EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Oh the ironing!

Have we had Ed Davey’s comments from yesterday yet? LibDems would go into coalition with the Tories as long as there is a referendum.

That worked well last time for you, didn’t it Ed?

I'd like to think that comments like that could be helpful ish. Hopefully it'll make up the minds of the Labour leaning Lib Dem to get behind Labour and make the 2 million plus conservative remain voters think they can now get behind the Lib Dem, because there a bit like the tories really, before the tories became the brexit party.

Harpic?

I was going with Sainos thin.

Harpic?

I was going with Sainos thin.

Also works

You may enjoy Steve Bells current Guardian cartoons, he's been taking the piss out of this muchly.

Seems a pragmatic acceptance of the current polling, makes the cost of such support clear, and applies pressure to Labour. It also makes the LD’s priority clear.

Cha if everyone calls you "yellow Tories" anyway... :)

Is there anyone out there, @Sparky excepted, who has confidence in the polls? Given how wrong they were on the last two elections, I’d take them all with a pinch of salt.

That only makes him more likable. What quantities of man-hours and natural resources have been wasted on fucking ironing in the last 200 years? Might as well spend your time hoovering the pavement for all the good it does

https://thebrexitparty.com/

I’ve had to sign an NDA on the latest ones. But I just get paid to write about them.

I don't have much confidence that they are entirely accurate, but that said, I'd be very surprised if they have all been consistently so wrong that there is any chance of a Labour victory. Maybe a hung parliament if we're lucky, but feel that's fading.

The labour turn round didn’t happen until after the manifesto was released last time round and labour were further behind at this stage in 17.

Yeah, I know I’m grasping at straws!

A Tory win would be just too depressing for words.

A man on Question Time calling Labour liars for saying they will only increase tax on the top 5% of earners and he only earns £80,000 but will have to pay more tax. Imagine thinking £80,000 a year is a normal wage. Not that you'd ever find that delusion on here, of course.

Though if you did there would probably be a thread for it.

Isn’t that the entry requirements for the owning your own home thread if you live in London?

Everyone on that panel failed when they didn't point out two things

1) it's 5% of top earners on income, not wealth. I can understand if it's based on wealth how he might not feel like he should be included.

2) the median UK wage is about £28k if he is on over 80 then he very definitely sits well into the top 50%.

Also his doctors being on over 100k, don't junior doctors start on something like 25k and rise only up to 50k? Obviously that's just junior ones though.

I couldn't imagine earning 80k. I would need to do 5 or 6 years of professional qualification to get near that I think

I think he had a point about PAYE against income not just against wealth. I just checked .gov was surprised £80k puts you that high up the scale. London obviously distorts that perspective.

The answers weren’t very good but the flow of information was a bit broken too.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/percentile-points-from-1-to-99-for-total-income-before-and-after-tax

They're are an awful lot of people on poverty wages to even things out, plus the poor twat is only going to be taxed more on what he earns over £80k anyway, he still gets the same tax free allowance and 20% rates as all the povvos.

I think context is important.
A cliche but average tube driver Salary 60-70k, who its perceived Labour supported striking.

My opinion change since moving to London that income is a poor indicator of wealth. Also seems disproportionately taxed.
They should have highlighted labour plan to address other areas of taxation.

Switzerland have regional taxes, I don’t know all the details but seems a good way to be able to manipulate housing demand, business location/ investment at least on the face of it.

Progressive tax on income is good, lowering taxes that disproportionately affect lower earners, like VAT is also good. £80k a year is a lot of money, even in somewhere really expensive to live you can cover all your basic costs of living and so afford to pay more tax, and that tax would only be on the money you earn over £80k anyway, so 40p, or an extra 20p if you're on £80001.

I totally agree.
I suppose my point was more that why does he feel angry. I think it points at other broken systems.

https://twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1197666606811426818

He isn't getting entry into watches thread for sure.

The idea that someone on 80k feels stretched is pure Tory 'we've got it just as bad the proles but we find a way to muddle through' bullshit