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• #16502
I thought an American was just a espresso shot topped up with hot water?
Me too. Never seen anyone pull it as a super lungo through the puck but maybe I'm sheltered.
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• #16503
You must choose your coffee shops wisely!
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• #16504
I'm making espresso more and more like this recently and really enjoying it. Generally 3:1 around 35 seconds and you get a lovely bright espresso. I don't have control of the temp on my machine would I be right in thinking 95 is fairly standard espresso temp?
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• #16505
Just upped the coffee making facilities in the flat to 5 methods.
Its a little excessive as we have no space.
Testing the Sage Brewer (because I like a brewed coffee first thing).
Completely in love with the Flair.
18g of China Lafu from Coffee Factory (a local roaster to family in Devon- who's 'Daily Brew' Blend is utterly fantastic).
Happy with the Sage Oracle for simplicity, but the espresso is not as nice as the Flair produces- really excellent for my wife who loves the push button nature of it once I've got it all set up.
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• #16506
James Hoffman did a video earlier this year along those lines, high extraction through a filter in the portafilter. He looked at it in terms of drinking it as an espresso shot but I guess it would work to turn it into a longer americano style drink. Bit too much faff for me but it's an interesting watch.
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• #16507
Difficult to say, domestic espresso machines generally struggle with temperature stability, so temperature from the boiler is often lost on its way to the shower screen and that rate of loss varies according to how well pre-heated the machine is, how long it’s been idle, etc. Add to that the variation in starting temp at the boiler depending on where the pressurestat is in its cycle if it’s not PID controlled, plus not knowing what temp it’s been setup for from the factory or if you’ve adjusted the pstat or PID, and it’s not really under your own control. The only way to know is to get hold of a Scace meter which is not really within reach of the home user.
Basically hotter water gives more extraction because it is more effective as a solvent at higher temperatures. If you can’t fully control the temperature then you can increase extraction by other means like grinding finer and increasing contact time.
That was a long answer.
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• #16508
The only way to know is to get hold of a Scace meter which is not really within reach of the home user.
Now I'm wondering how accurately a digital temperature probe poked through a portafilter spout could be hacked to be...
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• #16509
Accuracy isn't going to be the problem, sealing in the pressure is. A waterproof DS18B20 will cost you pennies, is quite easy to use with an Arduino and shouldn't be too hard to incorporate in a portafilter. Maybe buy separate sensor sleeves, see if you can bond (or braze?) them into a portafilter with an airtight seal and then insert the sensor afterwards.
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• #16510
Yeah people have made their own versions of the Scace on coffee forums, plenty of knowledge available there. Just depends whether you’re wired that way to put yourself through it, my inclination would be to just work within the limitations of the equipment and adjust grind/dose/time according to taste and just follow general temperature management good practice.
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• #16511
Concerned less about pressure and more about temperature. I've retrofitted a PID thermocouple to my gaggia classic, and would be fascinated to know how accurate my offset is for boiler temp vs brew temp. Is there any need for the basket to be pressured if I just want to measure temperature?
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• #16512
What machine are you going for? I've got a Europiccola and can heartily recommend one!
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• #16513
Not quite that fancy. Considering the Flair because my NY sized apartment doesn’t have much counter space and being able to assemble and disassemble it is really handy.
Or I would reaaalllyy like a Cafelat Robot because it doesn’t require pre-heating and there’s no thermal loss and it looks awesome, but again, I don’t have much counter space to play with.
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• #16514
I've seen people do it in our office, and judged them for it haha! I would've thought you get some nasty overextraction flavours. Unless overextraction is not a thing either and I've been sheepled by the snobs!
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• #16515
No experience of them but I've seen (as I'm sure you have) James Hoffman's reviews of them. They do look very nice!
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• #16516
pull it as a super lungo through the puck
90% of shops in Berlin do "Americano" this way because they can't be fucked.
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• #16517
Actually the only thing that pisses me off to no end is that an awful lot of shops have their automatic machines dialed in wrong / just dialled in for cappuchino etc., so the cup is only 2/3 full, then they just switch it on again on manual mode once more to top up.
I actually more than once yelled "please just leave it like that", haha
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• #16518
I have indeed. The flair is cheap in the US, too. $200 including pressure gauge versus $370 for the Robot with gauge. For something that’ll probably be a weekend only coffee machine, the cheaper the better.
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• #16519
It’s pretty good from the 10 shots I’ve pulled so far. Time from hot water to shot is <2min.
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• #16520
On the flip side, any of those machines should last a lifetime. So also worth spending a bit extra for something reliable.
I'm not that knowledgeable about how long the Flair or Robot are going to be around for, but if you think they might be relatively limited, might be worth getting some sets of gaskets for the inevitable servicing.
I've yet to need anything done with mine, but I can rely on the gaskets being available when I need them!
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• #16521
Any one have any experience of this? Mainly for espresso.
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• #16522
It's a scam.
The real Niche costs £500 and is very good.
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• #16523
Ace, cheers.
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• #16524
Having a clear out - anybody after a "Alpu" moka pot? £3 collected from Kings Cross / Highbury and Islington around work hours.
Picked it up a while back after a trip to Italy, replaced the seal with a new Bialetti part and has only had a few shots run through it since. Hoping link to pictures below works:
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• #16525
I can see it.
WRT making americanos more like filter I’m with the gently facetious comment above that you just make filter, but I guess you only have an espresso grinder and don’t want to make big adjustments. In that case, you can get all the complexity out of an espresso by going for lots of extraction, you can sacrifice most of the body you’re usually trying to preserve too. Choose a coffee which is recommended for filter brewing.
Reduce your dose, try going down by 3 or 4 grams. Grind significantly finer. Extract more volume, try 45ml. Aim for 30-35 seconds for the shot.
We just put a light roasted acidic Kenya on guest espresso, and to balance it we ended up at 95deg, 17g, 45ml yield, 35 secs. Tastes detailed and delicate when served with water.