• They’re a tool watch with a workhorse movement that was designed to be constructed to a price. You could argue that the luxury pricing these days is something of a stretch, but they will never not be popular. And to be honest, there aren’t that many cheaper mechanical chronographs, even hand-wound ones.

    The one thing with the cam-actuated 861/1861 movements is the pusher “click” feel is never going to be as nice as a column wheel design. That might have contributed to your impression of a lack of quality?

  • I'm not a fan of the speedy myself.

    And don't think a tool watch should have anything less than sapphire crystal. I don't think This isn't a tool watch, not with a hesalite crystal.

    Same for rolex. The originals were tool watches, but today's iteration is certainly not.

    By sticking to its heritage, no longer makes it a tool watch.

  • You can get a sapphire crystal version with open caseback for an extra £700 over the hesalite but as you say depends on your preference to the original.

  • If a tool watch 'has features that accomplish specific tasks beyond simply keeping accurate time' then shirley the moonwatch, which has a hesalite crystal for a very specific reason, is a tool watch?

  • The thing with the proper moonwatch is that it hasn’t changed since 1969 or whenever they last had it recertified. Whereas the Sub is a very different watch that has evolved over decades.

    Hesalite scratches but sapphire shatters. Hesalite/acrylic is a better choice for a tool watch. Seiko are finally putting sapphire crystals and ceramic bezels (also prone to shattering) in their pro level divers because the market demands it, but they really didn’t want to for a long time.

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