• Funny how corbyn is painted as the fanatic while offering a sensible middle-ish ground way out of an issue splitting the country in two.

  • Funny how corbyn is painted as the fanatic while offering a sensible middle-ish ground way out of an issue splitting the country in two.

    I think the two things are separate though aren't they. People recognise Labour's Brexit position as nuanced and complex and balanced - it's one of the reasons those of us who are unashamedly pro or anti Brexit get so worked up about it.

    When people call Corbyn an extremist they aren't referring to his Brexit strategy but all the other policies. And there's some truth to it. Even pro Corbyn thinkers regularly talk about how Corbyn's programme would 'transform' Britain, and that he shouldn't be dragged back to the centre ground etc. You don't transform a country without a vision, and you don't have a vision without some degree of fanaticism.

    This is all said without any malice towards or approval of Corbyn, btw. I've made a vow not to bait or argue with anyone going in the same direction of travel as me re: Brexit. If you're going to vote Labour or Lib dems or Green or SNP, we're on the same side. If you're going to vote Tory or Brexit, that's when I'm going to start getting argumentative.

  • This is all said without any malice towards or approval of Corbyn

    Absolutely. I'm no fanatic fan either, though my rare contributions often seem to be in his defence. I just figure he's what we've got now, at least until this election.

    What frustrates me is that, yes, he's had some extreme views and probably still holds some, but his policies are a lot more moderate, and even more importantly than that, his approach has been moderate.

  • You don't transform a country without a vision, and you don't have a vision without some degree of fanaticism.

    Idealism and fanaticism are not synonyms. Some people combine them, but they're not the same thing and they don't inevitably go together.

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