EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

The two main parties would be fucked by it as neither could ever win an outright majority so they are never going to push for it. And, if anything, the current Parliament has shown that not enough politicians know how to compromise and co-operate in order to move things forward, so moving to a system where there would likely be NOC and/or coalition Governments it's a recipe for fun. Views on certain issues are simply too diametrically opposed.

However, that usually opens up the door for more referendums. (Stay with me.)

We just need to train the politicians on fair campaigning and also train the public on putting in a bit of effort to research their view on each matter before voting. And then start off with a few simple referendums on relatively simple matters rather than launching into the first one being on a huge issue that could end up going the way people didn't expect due to lies and voter apathy.

Train a country of people rather than a few hundred?

Plus you've got a whole parliament full of MPs who have won their seat based on FPTP campaigns and election promises, which can be quite polarising to start with. When the building is full of seats won based on a campaign of "I believe in this but am willing to compromise with these people on these issues" Then they might all end up sorting things out between themselves a bit better.

When do we think the Daily Mail will drop the Corbyn/Labour antisemitism stories it has been saving up?

I suspect there's a few smear stories left to release about Boris

Doesn't the terrorist sympathiser angle have more of a tie-in with the whole Brexit/NI issue? Might be more of that.

Do they have media smear pairing arrangements like when they vote in the lobbies?

"We agreed we'd only release level three smears this week, that love child story is easily a level two"

expect the carrie symonds argument tape will drop

When do we think the Daily Mail will drop the Corbyn/Labour antisemitism stories it has been saving up?

It's the Jewish people on Twitter that I suspect may be more damaging, although the whole subject seems to be being dismissed by many.

Reminds me why I stopped posting much. @reply.

I'll never understand how people write off the Labour antisemitism thing as a right-wing conspiracy theory when you can literally watch Corbyn types accuse 6th formers from Braintree of being 'employed by israel' in real time on Twitter.

I hope that when Labour are wiped out in this election, as seems likeliest to me, they finally do some self reflection and take it seriously.

I think one of the reasons some people don't take it seriously is that as you say, Labour will not even acknowledge that there is a problem to the point of not talking about it at all, and the fact that there are a lot of people possibly overstating and exaggerating the scale of the problem.

When you've got the accused in total silent denial and the accusers piling it on thick, its much easier for people to just ignore the issue than figure out who is telling the truth and how many of the accusations are factual.

The bottom line is that Labour has a problem and are doing fuck all about it.

If parties can't compromise as-is and the press stays toxic, I don't see other referendums magically turn into reasoned nuanced affairs :/

My Dutch parents follow the UK from a distance, the UK Westminster voting system was similar here a long time ago. It was abolished in 1918...

Now, that doesn't mean the coalition Dutch system is -the- best, perhaps the UK is better suited for another, new system.

there is definitely a problem – there has been for years. labour obviously harbours elements of anti-semitism and it is clear that its realignment under JC has allowed fringe anti-semitic voices to surface which had previously been suppressed by new labour’s dominance.

this is all exacerbated by the fact that we now live in the era of receipts. labour's disciplinary processes (which have been massively improved under jennie formby!) have struggled with the fact (i) the party is now a mass-membership movement and (ii) there is now mass participation in social media. they need to look at instituting the reforms that michael segalov suggested here - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/21/labour-antisemitism-overhaul-policy-discipline-public

Brexit's already cost the economy 60 Billion ish. Yellowhammer's cost 2 Billion since then. Saying to people "it's going to cost you 70 Billion more" at a point when you've already spunked the GDP of a small EU country at it is really too abstract a concept for Barry from Lancs to conceive of.

If only we had some kind of group of elected representatives who could be trusted to act in our collective best interests, you know, they could be housed in some kind of formal chamber where they debate and vote and things and generally sort this shit out? Silly I know...

In the words of amateur cigar chewer and famed Islamophile, Winston Churchill:

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Labour being antisemites is mildly valid. I'd bet that both of the other two major parties had a higher percentage of members with antisemitic views.

If Johnson is restoring the whip to rebels, aren't they just going to do exactly the same thing next in the next Parliament? If he tries to force no deal or to ram through his WAB at breakneck speed he's basically just given himself a 10 seat handicap

Labour being antisemites is mildly valid. I'd bet that both of the other two major parties had a higher percentage of members with antisemitic views.

That's the point though isn't it, it's not about the amount of low level antisemitism among the rank and file, which frankly doesn't matter very much - it's the failure to tackle it at a leadership level. That's what emboldens the rank and file and that's why you end up in the extreme situations we're in at the moment where candidates feel its OK to share holocaust denial memes without any of their Labour pals going 'hang on a bit mate, that's slightly suss'.

you end up in the extreme situations we're in at the moment where candidates feel its OK to share holocaust denial memes

Eh? Which candidate was that?

Antisemitism has no place in labour (or anywhere).

But the Tory party are supposed to be nasty, Labour aren't and are held to a higher standard. Or something.

My constituency (Chipping Barnet) is remain dominated and the strongly leave supporting Conservative MP, Theresa Villiers, nearly lost her seat in 2017. There is a large Jewish population and the feelings that the Labour party are antisemitic might be the thing that keeps Ms Villiers in.

I’ve got some bad news for your fellow constituents about the conservative party...

mark.francois.mp@parliament.uk

Send him an email hoping today isn't too explody for him

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I've checked a few ditches, this morning,
admittedly in the constituency next to dePfeffels Uxbridge & South Ruislip,
and no sign of the bloated, workshy, lying philanderer.