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  • People have a pretty wide range of reasons in how they vote. I'd doubt many are rational and most are identity driven.

    I don't support the Conservatives and I suppose my natural party is the libdems - although my politics have changed over time.

    The vibe I get at the moment is there is a huge amount of genuine fear surrounding JC. Even though a few Tories I know are pretty discussed with the state of the party, the threat of a JC/JMcD government - especially JMcD as chancellor fills them with dread.

  • See, I dont think thats fair... there must be some people who support Tories because they believe X policy will have a positive impact on Y, which although an assumption will at least have KPI's.

    Lumping people in "Marxism" / "Socialism" or any "ism" is simplifying things too much, especially when peoples interpretation of those things varies.

    I just want facts god damn it, this should be a data driven decision not an emotive one.

  • I just want facts god damn it, this should be a data driven decision not an emotive one.

    Good luck with that, but unfortunately with Boris any "facts" he dishes out are likely to be false. He has identified the voters that he wants to appeal to, and ultimately fuck over, and is banking on combining the hard of thinking with the traditional unquestioning Tory base to win a majority.

    I desperately hope that this election is fought on facts but sadly I have a feeling that Johnson and Cummings are too good at selling snake oil to allow this to happen.

  • I imagine once the manifestos are released there'll be a few websites where they ask you questions and match you up to the party whose manifesto is closest.

    Given that lfgss is one big echo chamber on politics it may not be the best place for an open discussion/debate on parties and their policies devoid of emotional or idealistic attachment though.

  • there must be some people who support Tories because they believe X policy will have a positive impact on Y

    Yes of course.

    I don't know many small c Conservatives - the ones I can think of don't have any rational other than identifying as conservative voters, with some sort of notion that they are better on the economy and societal values.

    Most of the Tories I know are economic convertives with libertarian tendencies (in the British traditional rather than the new alt-righty US version).

    They believe relatively low taxes and free markets owned by private enterprise creates the greatest wealth to society. They believe the Tories are best placed to do this. They also believe restricting the power of the state ensures the best protection to civil liberties.

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