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Oh, I’m happy with targets. I think I probably share some views with your colleagues - we want to get to the same place but disagree with XR.
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yeah... maybe... but I doubt it. There's a lot of pretty basic; they're disruptive communists who don't want the developing world to have anything while they use iPhones...etc.
As I said the 3pts - in particular "Tell the truth" seem like a good frame work. And the quick reversal of the govt's renewable subsidy programme shows that without real constant pressure the support to push energy in a new direction can slip. The fact that we ended up allowing shale exploration at a point when it was no longer really necessary is a perfect e.g. of how fickle govt can be.
The fearmongering element I'm torn on. XR's message often seems to intrench peoples views - or even shift them for the worse. However, I genuinely don't think people have grasped, or to some extent can grasp, the enormity of this.
I'm really hesitant to give this comparison for obvious reasons; but I heard a US guy of Jewish origin give the example of when information about the concentration camps and death camps was given to staff in the US DOS.
The response was basically; I don't think you're lying, but I don't believe it. That seems to neatly sum up where we are. People don't think the science is lying, but they don't believe it.
hugo7
Typical centerist dad response. /S
Fwiw I agree with a lot of what you've said. And some of H2o's points.
What I really like about XR are their 3pts. And I don't think @h2o you should underestimate the importance of targets. All the EU nation's subsidies and ramp up in renewable energy production over the lAst 10yrs have coincided with the setting of clear targets.
However, as I think many posts in this thread demonstrate, the movement is under constant pulls in different political directions. This then feeds into a culture-war narrative. I see this with my colleagues who are opposed to XR on a political ideological level and on a policy level... even though we work in renewables.