Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

Agreed.

But the would you want to ride such a slack ht on somewhere you need more than 38x10?

As I say, be interesting to ride it.

I love flats off road. No way drops offer any where near as much control down hill or technical uphill.

Dunno, while I equally like flat off and on road, the massive 61.5cm drop bar I have changed the games.

I think it will ride better than you think, I made the switch from an Arkose with 72 head angle to 70.5 made a massive difference and oddly more fun on the road as well as off.

yeah that's the way to go though, super wide drops

Yeah would be interesting to try how it would ride, would it try to flop to the side more than you'd want in a turn or just go straight or whatever. The slack angle will probably take rough gravel and other bumbs on a straight road better too, so they wouldn't bother you as much.

The little pullers on both ends of the zips of bolt-on frame bag are maybe interesting too. Looks like a functional detail, but then again if the bag was attached with straps close the ens of the zip, there is no need for a puller like that to hold the bag. You can just pull the zip with one hand, even while riding. So that might be changing some usability with the clean looks and having no straps to interfere with cables or wear through the paint and carbon.

Whut? You ride any bike as hard as you can IMO, no matter the price.

New Cutthroat looks great. Its a bike designed for a 2600 mile route. 70% gravel 20% road 10% singletrack. For that I reckon it would be perfect.. I would take drops for 5 days riding gravel into a headwind with 2 hours of nadgery singletrack. Go to Victor ID, by JayP's place and every other bike is a Fargo/Cutthroat due to miles of varying grades of teh grav grav. My Fargo was great with a slacker HA cranking out the miles. It was just a bit heavy, which i think is where the Cutty wins. Only spec I havent seen on this version is whether its a threaded bb, like the other new version carbon Salsas. Anyway I'd love one.

Integrated luggaged is a long time coming. Niner have already done it with the Sir9. I really think Alpkit missed a trick with the latest versions of their frames.

I dont see the benefit of superwide drops. I switched from 46cm cowchippers back to 44cm as they felt more comfortable over longer distance, including a good mix of singletrack. Good flare seems better. Suspicious there is a bit of Ultrarom-instacrust cool aid at work, but will happily eat my narrow bars if people still using them in 2 years time.

Why on earth when going custom would you route the rear hydraulic cable like this?
Wouldn't there be enough room to go fully internal under the BB (in the shell) and into the left chain stay?

I think it looks cool. Could be that.

Can't argue taste...

Good insight thanks

It's a BSA shell (33,9mm inside diameter) with a 30mm spindle, no way there is any room for a 5mm hydraulic line.

This is a picture of my PF30 shell (46mm inside diameter) where it was already difficult to run the 2,65mm di2 wires through it: https://i1.wp.com/crankzinnig.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/IMG_1571.jpg

But why use such a small ID shell if you plan to run a 30mm spindle when building a custom frame? Wouldn't a T47 shell be a better option?

Suspicious there is a bit of Ultrarom-instacrust cool aid at work, but will happily eat my narrow bars if people still using them in 2 years time.

You might just be right. I can't see a single benefit to these.

Yes it would. There's just enough space in a T47 BB shell with an external bearing BB to squeeze a hydraulic brake line around the BB shell, depending on which make of BB you use. It's tight, but it's just possible.

If they were using a lugged BB shell I could understand it as there are no lugged T47 shells. But for a full fillet-brazed BB shell it's a bit of an odd one.

it's a custom bike. The owner probably requested it.

Still, with the CK sleeve for 30mm spindles, hydraulic lines won't fit in there.

I do think "Gravel drops" really come down to personal preference way more than any other handlebar. Whats works for one person... I have tried loads of them and Woodchippers were brilliant on Fargo with drops at same height as saddle, but prefer Cowchippers as the 24 deg flare, shorter reach and drop work really well for me on a gravel bike.
I guess one advantage of wider bars is more space for bigger front luggage (if you need it)

So the only option for completely internal routing in the BB shell with enough room would actually be a custom machined shell? But would also depend on where the chainstay is attached to the shell to not interfere with the bearing threads.

Slow day here at work, might draw it out on CAD.

To be fair, I should try some 70cm drops with a -30mm stem before I knock it, right?

I want to try woodchippers next but getting them to a suitable height will hardly be an exercise in beautification

It can be done with a T47 BB shell and a 30mm crank spindle if you use the right BB. The last bike I built has a T47 shell with the Di2 cables and rear brake hose running through it, and a Wheels Manufacturing external bearing T47 BB.

If you wanted to use BSA68 cups, then you would indeed need a custom BB shell, with at least a 50mm OD and then rather deep steps for the BB threads.

First wintry ride out on this at the weekend, certainly a contender for an Arkose beater....a few upgrades on standard AL3 spec I bought off @Ifonlyiwerebelgian , mind!

Hi gang,

I don’t suppose anyone is able to help me out here. So I recently got hold of a pair of the Brother Mehteh forks from my friends new bike that he doesn’t want. The only issue is the fork take a 15mm thru axle and the front wheel I’m currently using is a 12mm thru axle.

Any ideas on how to make that work?

Much appreciated!

Inverse shim

And oldie but a goodie.

@RobertHolgate - you can probably change the end caps on the hub.