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  • Not to start a fight here, but the video @Drano posted is a good example. It's criticism of XR on the basis that they are operating within a capitalist system rather than trying to overthrow it. Clearly to the person who made that video, abolition of capitalism is more important than climate change[...]

    The point is that any movement like XR that focuses on green reform of capitalism is ultimately doomed to fail (or a dead end, as the video puts it) because a system based on endless growth is inherently at odds with environmentalist goals. Don't get me wrong, it's great that people are starting to take direct action, but if we're unable to pivot this anger into demands for more radical change then we are all very much doomed.

  • capitalism is ultimately doomed to fail because a system based on endless growth is inherently at odds with environmentalist goals.

    Not necessarily.

    The UK replaced it's declining industry with services. Services can provide economic growth without ever producing anything. Look at a derivatives trader - what is their actual environmental impact (ignore the underlying commodities)? Likely far less than a Chris King employee.

    You're looking at it from the bias of someone who has issues with our current system and sees an increase in material goods as an inevitably of economic growth.
    At the moment they go hand-in-hand, but they don't have to.

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